PEDEN Hugh b.1628 Scotland d. Antrim (Ballymena?)

[stevenson]

No to both Gilby .

Thought with a Sherriff in both sides might be a link ....

Ann is still a mystery.

There is an earlier Sherriff /Peden marriage in Carncastle not sure if the same family but the bible may hold the key.

Interestingly a bible is mentioned in a early will, so following who is left what,it could still be in Ireland in 1900's or should be.

so onwards
Steve

[Gilby]

Steve,

Why do you not think James Stevenson’s wife Ann could have been the daughter of Thomas Sheriff and Helena Peden – would that not explain the cousin relationship?

Whose will mentions the bible?

I’ll be going to PRONI tomorrow and later this Christmas so any pointers would be welcome!

Thanks,
Gilby

[Gilby]

Came across this deed today...

1773 - Drains, Blair to John Caldwell - Book 298 / Page 426 / Number 197938
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJW-C95Y-6?i=232&cat=185720
Memorial of lease dated 5th Aug 1773 between William Henry Blair of Carncastle, gent, and John Caldwell of same.  For £35, Blair granted Caldwell a lease of a farm then in the possession of William Norrill containing 36a IPM, in Drains, Cairncastle.  To hold for the lives of William Henry Blair, son of lessor, John Peden aged about 9, Robert Peden aged about 7, sons of Dan Peden of the parish of Larne.  Witnessed by James Crawford and Dan Peden.  Memorial witnessed by said Dan Peden, and John Wier notary public.  2nd Sep 1773.

[Gilby]

Following on from the previous post...

Book 296 / Page 513 / Number 197939
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSH3-M3TM-4?i=279&cat=185720
Memorial of a lease dated 5th Aug 1773 between William Henry Blair of Carncastle, gent, and Dan Peden.  For £30, Blair granted Peden a lease of 36a IPM in Drains, now in his possession.  To hold for the lives of William Henry Blair, son of lessor, John Peden aged about 9, Robert Peden aged about 7, sons of Dan Peden of the lessee.  Witnessed by James Crawford and John Caldwell.  Memorial witnessed by said John Caldwell, and John Wier notary public.  2nd Sep 1773.

I like these ones where the farmers witnessed each other's deeds.  I can imagine them all gathered in a room together each getting their new leases at the same time.

[Gilby]

The first of these mentions that the lands had been held in trust by Archibald Tweed.  I think that, and the way they are divided into parts, suggests he was holding them as executor to someone's will or possible as trustee to a marriage settlement.

Book 538 / Page 412 / Number 358587
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJW-Y9WT-4?i=541&cat=185720
Memorial of a release dated 13th Jan 1797 between Archibald Tweed of Drumane [Dromain], farmer, and Jas [?] Callwell [Caldwell] of Tobergell [Tobergill].  In pursuance of the trust therein mentioned, Archibald Tweed granted to Callwell one 13th part, and one 26th part of the townland of Knocknoun otherwise Drains, containing by estimation 219a, and the quarterland of Drumane containing 120a, and the moiety of Loughduff and the turf bog thereunto belonging.  For two royal lives, and the life of Samuel Allen the younger.  Witnessed by John Callwell of Droagh, farmer, and William Marsh [Walsh?] of Glenarm, gent.  Memorial witnessed by said John Callwell and by Robert Hantonville.  9th Feb 1802.  William Walsh knows the deponent.

Book 546 / Page 32 / Number 358588
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJ4-79WD-N?i=344&cat=185720
Memorial of a release dated ?0th Mar 1797 between Archibald Tweed of Drumain, farmer, and John Caldwell of Droagh, farmer.  Tweed granted to Caldwell four 13th parts of the townland of Knocknoone otherwise Drains, containing 219a, one moiety of the quarterland of Drumane containing 120a, one moiety of the lands of Loughduff and the turf thereunto belonging.  For two royal lives, and Samuel Allen the younger.  Deed and memorial witnessed by Archibald Tweed the younger, and Robert Hantinville of Glenarm.  9th Feb 1802.  William Walsh knows the deponent.

Book 538 / Page 413 / Number 358589
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJW-Y9WT-4?i=541&cat=185720
Memorial of a release dated 10th Jan 1797 between Archibald Tweed of Drumain, farmer, and Daniel Peden of Ballycraigy, farmer.  Tweed granted Peden one 13th part, and one 26th part of the moiety of the townland of Knocknoane otherwise Drains containing 219a, and one moiety of the quarterland of Drumane containing 120a, and one moiety of the lands of Loughduff and the turf thereto belonging, barony of Glenarm.  For two royal lives, and Samuel Allen the younger.  Witnessed by John Callwell [Caldwell] of Drough [Droagh], and William Walsh of Glenarm, gent.  Memorial witnessed by said John Callwell [and Robert] Hantenville of Glenarm, gent.  9th Feb 1802.  William Walsh knows the deponent.

[jason mac]

I have an ancestor called Agnes Peden who married John Snoddy probably sometime prior to 1830.  A number of their children were baptised in Templepatrick Presbyterian church during the 1830s.  Their daughter Jane Snoddy married William McMurray in 1855 at Templepatrick.  The witness at the wedding was Margaret McMeekin (quite possibly the same person mentioned earlier in this thread).

Also in relation to one of the posters with links to Moffett in Tyrone.  My grandmother was a Moffett born in Belfast, as was her father and grandfather.  I have no confirmed dna matches with any Moffetts on the 3 sites on which I have my data.  However I do have 6 possible dna matches with 2 Moffett families from County Tyrone.

[lmgnz]

Hi Jason

My 3rd Gt Aunt Frances Lynn b 1816 Templepatrick married Matthew Snoddy in 1836 at Templepatrick, I have not looked at his family except that his parents were William Snoddy and Agnes Barron. Agnes almost certainly belonged to one of the two Templepatrick Barron families who re connected to my family by marriage. Gilby is also descended from one of the two Barron families.

I have come across the Peden families in the same area but surprisingly I have not found any marriages in my Templepatrick families.

[jason mac]

I think there is a strong possibility the father and mother of Matthew Snoddy are wrong.  Matthew's death in Scotland was registered by his daughter Agnes, who would only have been a year or two old when the family left Ireland for Scotland.  There were already 2 previous examples of a family member using the wrong details when registering the deaths of 2 Snoddy children. Frances and Joseph Snoddy were born in Scotland.  Their births were registered by the father, Matthew Snoddy.  Matthew used the correct maiden name for his wife when registering the births - Lynn.  In contrast, the deaths of both Frances and Joseph were registered by James Snoddy, son of Matthew and Francis.  James registered his mother's maiden name as Wylie.

I strongly suspect Matthew Snoddy is the son of Thomas Snoddy and Jane Agnew who appear in the Templepatrick Presbyterian church census in 1831 living at Cottonmount in the townland of Craigarogan.  According to the census in the Snoddy household there are a number of children - Matthew, John, James, William, Peter, Jane and Thomas.  My assumption is John is the John Snoddy who married Jane/Agnes Peden.  This matches with John Snoddy who appears in Griffiths valuation resident at Cottonmount and a grave in Mallusk with a metal surround stating John Snoddy Cottonmount 1866.   Of the others - William married in 1846 at Templepatrick to Anne Jane Thompson - his residence is stated as Craigarogan, father Thomas Snoddy with occupation for both father and son stated as Bleecher.  I have found no further trace of William following his marriage.  James Snoddy appears to have emigrated to the USA, my cousins and myself have multiple dna matches with his descendents in the States.  James appears to have emigrated with a Hugh Snoddy.  Hugh's age was given as 16 at emigration which would match the birth of Hugh Wiley Snoddy in 1837 at Templepatrick, first child of Matthew Snoddy and Frances Lynn.  It would explain why there is no futher trace of Hugh Wylie Snoddy in either Ireland or in the Scottish census records for the Snoddy family.  James Snoddy who emigrated to the USA named one of his children Hugh W Snoddy.  So it appears he may well have been emigrating with his cousin.  The second child of Matthew Snoddy and Frances Lynn was named Thomas and the first female child Jane - matching with Thomas Snoddy and Jane Agnew.  Some of those who had previously looked at the line of Matthew and Frances appear to have made the assumption that as James Snoddy when registering the death of his siblings used the name Wylie for his mother's maiden name that it must have come down his mother's side of the family.  However the Wylie name may actually have come from the Agnew line.  There is a concentration of Agnew's in the parish of Ballymartin and there is also a Hugh Wylie resident in Ballymartin in the Tithes.  There is an Ezekiel Wylie married to a Jane Baron resident at Ballycushin in the Templepatrick church census.  Finally Matthew Snoddy like Thomas, William and John Snoddy was a linen lapper according to the Scottish census.  It will be interesting to see if there is a townland or place name noted for any of the baptisms in the Templepatrick church registers for the children of Matthew Snoddy and Frances Lynn, it would take a visit to PRONI to check.

After the death of Matthew Snoddy in Scotland in 1879, the family disappears.  I have found no futher trace of the family or his wife in either Ireland or Scotland.

[lmgnz]

Hi jason

I don't believe  I am overly attached to the parents I named for of Matthew Snoddy. And it would take me some time to figure out the source. Gilby might know

You are pushing a few of our buttons with those names. Starting with the Hugh Wiley of Ballymartin and Ballycushan who was my 4th gt grandfather and Gilby's 5th gt. Ezekiel Wiley who married Jane Barron (of Roughfort/Craigarogan) was Gilby's 4th gt grandfather.J

Mary Wiley daughter of Hugh, married James Graham of Ballycushan and they were my 3xt gt grandparetns. My 2x gt grandparents were John Graham and Jane Lynn daughter of William Lynn c1815

Cheers

Linda