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Re: Bertram Thomas Henry Scudder
« Reply #45 on: Friday 09 August 13 02:07 BST (UK) »
Did someone mention a connection with New York for Richard William Stuart?

I found a record of a medal award for a Richard W Stuart in New York.

New York Conspicuous Service Cross
Name: Stuart, Richard W
Rank: blank
Branch of svc: USA
Mailing address : 13 1/2 Lawrence Avenue, Potsdam, NY 13676
Awarded: 9  June 1989

I had not heard of this award (you guys probably have) so I googled it
http://dmna.ny.gov/awards/csc.html

This Richard W Stuart was born 15 or 16 May 1922 - do we know d.o.b for our man?
Sadly he passed away in 1998 in Potsdam, see here
http://crestleaf.com/p/50ba977d651a69e4d40ae668/richard-w-stuart

WW11 POW
Richard W Stuart, Technical Sergeant
Residence: NEW YORK
Report date: 29 Sept 1943
Latest report date 14 July 1945
Air Corps
Detained Germany camp 02
Returned to Military Control, Liberated or Repatriated

I have found him listed in old directories in Potsdam with a wife (Rob, I will send you p.m. with her name).  Not sure if she is still living.  In 1958 he is listed as Instructor ROTC which after more googling I found was Reserve Officers Training Corps.

Has to be our man doesn't it ?
Robbins - Wolverhampton.
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Re: Bertram Thomas Henry Scudder
« Reply #46 on: Friday 09 August 13 04:26 BST (UK) »
Re Richard W Stuart

I think our man was Richard Ward Stuart born in Maryland 23 Feb 1922 and died in Melbourne, Florida 24 Mar 2003.
This one appears in Air Force uniform with his brother on a number of family trees. I have contacted the tree owners and hope they respond. I have asked if we can use his photo.
If this is the correct Richard W Suart, he might have served in Korea and Vietnam as well as WWII.

Geoff

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Re: Bertram Thomas Henry Scudder
« Reply #47 on: Friday 09 August 13 10:09 BST (UK) »
we now have all the full names and though the crew members themselves have passed on, the hope is that relatives will get to hear of the search.

2nd Lt Jackson Temple Clary (pilot) USAAF Service Number O.885969; escaped; (18 operations)
Pilot Officer George Victor Hastings, Navigator, CAN/J17665; PoW;
Pilot Officer Ivan Arthur Lewis Lockhart W/Op; CAN/J18450; PoW;
Technical Sergeant Richard William Stuart USAAF; 10601019; (mid upper) PoW;
Pilot Officer Clarence York Hovey CAN/J17408 (rear) PoW.

Hi Geoff,  I understood that it had been established that his middle name was William not Ward.
Robbins - Wolverhampton.
Spooner - Monmouthshire & Wolverhampton.
Warner & Loundes - Dudley/West Bromwich.
Dod(g)son - Heysham/Liverpool/Wolverhampton

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« Reply #48 on: Friday 09 August 13 10:38 BST (UK) »
Hi everybody,

I have emailed a relative of Clary, she lives in New York.
Maybe she knows the area of Potsdam where possible relatives of Stuart lives.

Rob


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Re: Bertram Thomas Henry Scudder
« Reply #49 on: Friday 09 August 13 15:37 BST (UK) »
I may be the guilty party for the confusion of William and Ward as middle names. I can only find Richard W Stuart and I think I simply took a guess at William. Of course, Americans seem to have a much more diverse range of names, possibly from a matriarchal surname.
Records have been found for a Richard WARD Stuart which seem to reflect PoW status and nothing for a R William Stuart, so the balance is leaning towards WARD as a likely middle name...
Apologies for my assumption, if it's causing red herrings to appear.

The Southend Evening Echo has contacted me, so the story should appear shortly, with the hope that more family will respond.

I also assisted with a Roll of Honour for Thundersley and turned up a William Scudder in the Grenadier Guards killed in 1918 from Thundersleigh. That chap had different parents, but seems to link back to the Stephen Scudder mentioned previously by Geoff Pain.
William Ernest Scudder 1880-1918 married Florence Myra Maude Smith 
> 4 cousins of Bertram
Ernest William Scudder 1903-1983 married Eva Gladys Cubitt – 1 daughter
Albert Sydney Scudder 1905-1994 married Elizabeth Mary Reeve 1912-2006 - 3 children
Evelyn Scudder 1907-1992 married Douglas Jones 1905-1990 - 4 children
Doris Maud 1908-2000 Scudder married Arthur William G Staines 1904-1993 – 6 children

Whilst searching on WW2Talk for "Scudder" it also took me to an entry for this chap....
Regiment: Grenadier Guards. Service Number: 2620278. Lance-Corporal. Name: SCUDDER, A. (Albert Sydney?) Prisoner Number: 142078. Camp: Stalag 11a. Altengrabow, Saxony-Anhalt, Germany.

Just curious if that was also a Hadleigh man, being as he was in the Grenadier Guards.....
.... and then I re read Geoff Pain's Family Tree listings on Page 4 regarding the Cranness family...
CRANNESS, STANLEY BERT. Rank: Private. Service No: 6022027. Date of Death: 30/09/1943. Age: 27.
Regiment/Service: The Queen's Royal Regiment (West Surrey). 2/6th Bn.
Grave Reference: VI. C. 38. Cemetery: SALERNO WAR CEMETERY
Additional Information: Son of Arthur George and Louisa Lavinia Cranness, of Thundersley, Essex.
... so a possible third branch of the family ....

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Re: Bertram Thomas Henry Scudder
« Reply #50 on: Friday 09 August 13 15:45 BST (UK) »
Hi Kevin

I have just messaged to Rob a phone number of a daughter of Richard WILLIAM Stuart.  I suppose it may still be worth a call just in case.
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Re: Bertram Thomas Henry Scudder
« Reply #51 on: Friday 09 August 13 16:14 BST (UK) »
Richard WARD Stuart and his wife have both passed away.  Hopefully the tree owners Geoff contacted will come back with more info on the family.

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/floridatoday/obituary.aspx?n=margaret-stuart&pid=127996083&fhid=6156#fbLoggedOut
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Re: Bertram Thomas Henry Scudder
« Reply #52 on: Friday 09 August 13 20:53 BST (UK) »
Hi all

Rob contacted the daughter of Richard WILLIAM Stuart and he is not the man we are looking for.  All hopes are pinned on Richard WARD Stuart, his wife's obituary does not mention any children so we may have to look for nieces/nephews, he had a brother and a half sister (both deceased) according to the trees.  Geoff Pain has sent messages to the tree owners.
Robbins - Wolverhampton.
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Re: Bertram Thomas Henry Scudder
« Reply #53 on: Friday 09 August 13 22:24 BST (UK) »
Hi Rob,  Has there been any contact with Ivan Lockhart's family?  I messaged a tree owner on Monday but have had no reply as yet.
Robbins - Wolverhampton.
Spooner - Monmouthshire & Wolverhampton.
Warner & Loundes - Dudley/West Bromwich.
Dod(g)son - Heysham/Liverpool/Wolverhampton