BBC TV "WDYTYA?" Series 10 Episode #2: Nigel Havers

[lizdb]

I thoroughly enjoyed it.

Usual frustrations when I am saying "look at the census!!" , and when the grave is 'just there' etc .... But have leaent to ive with them. 

Seemed to roll out a specialist historian for everything didnt they!

Loved the shots of castle park around Colchester castle, and of Colchester generally, as I know the town a bit.

Do you know, KGarrad, I spotted the Garrod on the 'thieves' list too!! I was looking for any names than rang a bell, as I have Essex ancestors (somewhere way back I think one of my Kemps married a Garrard)

And I also found the bit about running over the oyster-seller interesting - as I have ancestors who were oyster fishermen in Essex.

[jan57]

Ann Bryant( b 1834/5 in Pelynt)  is  a  servant   in 1861  in  St Veep  Cornwall   and then goes  on to   marry   in 1865  a Thomas Salt  , 1871  sees  her  in Lerrin ?  with   Thomas and  2 children  1881  sees  her   still  married   with    a further   3  children ,  Ann dies in 1902  and Thomas  in 1929  They   lived in  various  places  ,  but  always  in the Liskeard  RD

[cms]

I think my favourite bit, not having ancestors from anywhere in common, was finding the mill, looking just like the old photograph and with all the mill workings still in it.

[cms]

Jan, that is interesting. Not a bad life then we hope!

[KGarrad]

Do you know, KGarrad, I spotted the Garrod on the 'thieves' list too!! I was looking for any names than rang a bell, as I have Essex ancestors (somewhere way back I think one of my Kemps married a Garrard)

Abraham Garrad was a Veterinary Surgeon in Colchester; his sons were also Vet's.
The family was originally from the Suffolk/Essex borders.

[jan57]

Jan, that is interesting. Not a bad life then we hope!

 I  don't think so  ,   her  husband Thomas,  in  1901   was  a  Grain  and Corn Merchant ,(employer) Previous  2   census    he  was a  Storekeeper   under a  Corn Merchant   and 1871     down  as an Ag Lab ,    Probate   in 1933( though  he died  in 1929)  shows  him  leaving  £450   to  Joshua Salt  (  his son )   

[tidybooks]

Hi All,

I was disappointed that they never expanded on the Havers line very much. I thought maybe they done that because it was boring or something like that.

Cecil Robert Havers (Nigel’s Grandfather) in 1911 census, was still a student of law presumably, aged 21. His father was Daniel a solicitor, b 1860 approx. and wife Agnes Sophia b 1863. They had 5 live births and no infant deaths.

In 1861 census, a 7month old Daniel is staying with parents, Charles, a 37 yo Ironmonger with his wife, Eliza 35yo and 4 children under 7 with 2 servants.

In the 1851 Census, Charles 28, is Head of the household with 3 sisters and 1 brother, but no parents. I think this may have been worth a mention. I have not come across this often, 5 siblings without parents. That would have been interesting to clear that up.

Tom

[IgorStrav]

Ann Bryant( b 1834/5 in Pelynt)  is  a  servant   in 1861  in  St Veep  Cornwall   and then goes  on to   marry   in 1865  a Thomas Salt  , 1871  sees  her  in Lerrin ?  with   Thomas and  2 children  1881  sees  her   still  married   with    a further   3  children ,  Ann dies in 1902  and Thomas  in 1929  They   lived in  various  places  ,  but  always  in the Liskeard  RD

Thanks for that, Jan, I also wondered what had happened to her. 

And whilst the baby had Couch as a middle name, I thought it was stretching it a bit to have Nigel say that proved David Couch had acknowledged her and taken part in her care over and above the affiliation order.  Because of course lots of illegitimate children had their father's name within their own names, but that didn't mean anything except that the mother wanted to document the father.

[groom]

The Hamblion name rang a bell - when I checked it is the name of my late friend's granddaughter. I traced it back last night and discovered she is descended from one of Elizabeth Hamblion's brothers, so a very distant relative of Nigel Havers.