Maria Frances Langley (Brunton)

[lindynz]

Hi, I have posted previously about this person on the Kent board, and not had much luck, so I'm hoping further information can be found about her in NZ. I believe Maria Frances Langley was born in Lewisham in 1848, but I am not certain who her parents were. Her death certificate (as "Frances Brunton") says her parents were "Langlie" and "Marchard" (no first names given), and I suspect they may have been Edward Langley and Mary Maria Marchant, who married in Whitechapel in 1847, but I haven't yet been able to prove this. She married John Brunton in Auckland in 1864 at the age of 16, and died in Wade in 1887, aged 39. Their marriage certificate gives no family details.

I would like to find out when she came to NZ, and who, if anybody, she arrived with. Her death certificate says she had been in NZ for 26 years, suggesting an arrival of around 1861. The closest I can find is a Langley family that arrived on the "Silver Eagle" in 1863, with a Maria M., Fanny H., Helen, two Emmas (?!), and an Edward, but no Maria Frances. I can't be certain if Maria M Langley is Mary Maria Marchant, but she might be the Mary Maria Langley who died in Auckland in 1870 at the age of 45. This Mary had been widowed for 17 years, so the Edward on the ship may have been a son, rather than her husband.

So - I'm looking for evidence that this is Maria Frances Langley's family, and if so was she with them when they arrived? Can anyone find a separate shipping record for her, or is it possible that one of the girls listed for the 1863 arrival could somehow be her (the two Emmas listed could be a mistake)? Are there any records of her in NZ prior to her marriage in 1864, or anything else that might indicate who her family were?

[Lucy2]

Hi

Have you read the updates to your post on the Kent board ?   

   ~  Lu 

[Lucy2]

I would like to find out when she came to NZ, and who, if anybody, she arrived with. Her death certificate says she had been in NZ for 26 years, suggesting an arrival of around 1861. The closest I can find is a Langley family that arrived on the "Silver Eagle" in 1863, with a Maria M., Fanny H., Helen, two Emmas (?!), and an Edward, but no Maria Frances.

Hi

Will take another look at passenger lists ... but it seems possible she may be the person listed as "Fanny H" ??

"Fanny" is a diminutive of the girl's name, Frances.

   ~ Lu

[Lucy2]

Hello again

The passenger list for the "Silver Eagle" was published in the following newspaper.

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz

"Daily Southern Cross" - 31 January 1863 - page 13

Yes, in the LANGLEY listing, it does show the name "Emma" twice ... BUT it may well be a typographical error ... "Emma" written on one line ... and again on the following line

Likewise the listing of "Fanny H."  ... again a "typo" ... the (upper case) letters H and M (in both handwritten and typeset form) are very often mistaken.

   ~  Lu

[Lucy2]

Marriage -- is this her brother

"Auckland Star" - 15 January 1876 - page 2

LANGLEY-ROUT .....   Edward LANGLEY, only s/o Mr E. LANGLEY, Woolwich, Kent.

[Almost sounds as if the father was still living in 1876 ?? ]

[Lucy2]

These baptisms from England :

Greenwich - Woolwich - St Mary Magdalene
Baptism :  25 September 1853
Born :  18 June 1853

Edward LANGLEY
s/o Edward and Maria LANGLEY 
of Charlotte Street, New Charlton  - occupation of Father :  Corn Handler
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Southwark - Peckham St Jude
Baptism:  1852
Born:  21 December 1851

Emma Caroline LANGLEY
Parents:   Edward and Maria LANGLEY
of Charlotte Street, St. Thomas -  Occupation of Father:   Corn Dealer

[Lucy2]

Can't see a baptism for Maria Frances LANGLEY.

But as you have already found probable birth of same, perhaps you need to purchase the birth cert ?

Incidentally, I see you have Maria Frances LANGLEY - birth registered 1848 at Lewisham ... and from her daughter's (NZ) birth cert., mention that Frances was born at Woolwich.
The Registration area of Lewisham was large, spanning the districts of Greater London, Kent and London.

[Lucy2]

NZ Marriage

Emma Caroline LANGLEY - Robert Shaw FORGIE -- 1876

[Lucy2]

NZ Death

1922 - FORGIE - Emma Caroline - 70 years [bc 1852 ]

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[Looking at births registered to Emma Caroline and Robert S. FORGIE - it appears their first-born child (1877) was named "Mary Maria" .]