Christening for Kenneth Ivor Lloyd

[Spidermonkey]

There is this possibility

Births September qtr 1894
Lillian Katherine E Austin     Holborn  1b 729

She is in a household in Beckton, East Ham on the 1911 census.  Can't see what happens to her afterwards yet.

[Spidermonkey]

There is this possibility

Births September qtr 1894
Lillian Katherine E Austin     Holborn  1b 729

She is in a household in Beckton, East Ham on the 1911 census.  Can't see what happens to her afterwards yet.

oooooh, by 1930 she is married to George Daniel Eldridge and living in New South Wales.  Married Jun qtr 1919 West Ham 4a 87

A bit about George and Lillian here http://members.iinet.net.au/~rgkje/eldridge/re11.html

[monkers]

goodness, you have been busy!
I am thrilled with you replies and there are some real clues there.
A bit of info on Alexander...
He was a fascinating character. He was born in the Liverpool poor house, a place that must have been worse than hell in 1888. His parents were unmarried.
He was "rescued" from the poor house by a man called Edwin Carter, a preacher. Alex appears in the next two cencuses with him.
At some point, he moves to London. I think he has delusions of grandeur as he adopts the name Harvey. He wasn't christened Harvey and he uses this name for the rest of his life as a first name. He also rents an address in Rugivny Gardens, which is pretty exclusive. I think he was determined to shake off his awful start in life.
He marries Ellen Cochrane, nee Wigley later on in his 40's. She is quite a well to do widow of a music hall star, and she was an actress herself.
On his marriage cert, he gives his address as Empire House, picadilly. You don't get much more highbrow than that.... but this is an office building and not accommodation. I think he worked there, not lived there, hence the delusions thing.
Anyhow, he must have made some money, but he lost it again as he was declared bankrupt in the 1920s. He did continue to live in a rather nice house in Fulham, and ended his days in a rather nice house in Surrey.

As for my theories on his parenting skills....!
He had no parents himself and was brought up by a preacher. There is nothing to suggest he was a kindly man. Alex let him die on his own in the poor house in Liverpool, so maybe there was no love lost between them.
Alex comes to London in his 20's and gets Lily pregnant. He must have stuck around for that 9 months as he was on the scene 6 months after the birth.
I think he arranged for Lily to have the baby at Annie Berry's house, then Lily cleared off. Annie has other babies in the house with no mothers in the 1911 census.
There must have been some reason why the birth was registered so late. All the other children in the house also were registered late. Annie maybe wanted to stay off the radar. Perhaps a condition of her taking on children is that someone else must register the birth 6 months later. Why??
Alex stayed in the background until Ken was a young teen. He must have paid Annie and he paid for Ken to attend public school, so we also know Alex was making money.
This is where is gets sad
Ken had a hideous childhood with Annie, he hated her. One day he was sent home from Whitgift and he never knew why. He was literally on the street, Annie didn't take him back in. Why? Because Alex went bankrupt. One day he was funding Ken, the next day it stopped.
What is really sad is that he didn't live far away in his nice house with his wife and step daughter. He could have taken Ken in, but he didn't. I think his wife didn't know about Ken and Alex didn't want to tell her.
So that was it. Alex never had parents and didn't know how to be one, and Ken didn't have parents and he too struggled to parent his own children, which is also very sad.
I do find it very hard to accept that Alex could pay and in some way take responsibility for many years, when many men would have done a runner, yet then rather callously, left Ken to his fate out on the street.

I am thrilled with the patent, thanks for that! I am sure it must be him, no other Alexander Harvey Lloyds seem to exist around that time. A powder puff, how bizarre! Do you know if I can find out any more about the patent?
He must have made a will, but I can't find it. Are there any clues on how to look for it? He died in 1942 aged only 56.

Thanks again and thanks for reading my little story! I am desperate to find out more about these two.

[Yasmina4]

Alexander Harvey Lloyd  Could he have been away at sea, army  at th time of the birth? Sandra

[lizdb]

I still think it is strange.
If Alexander was a bit of an uncaring rotter, as you suggest, then you would expect him to walk away and deny that the child was his. If Lillian was out of the way for whatever reason, there was no one to challenge this.
But it seems he made a concious effort to track down the child and register him, thus declaring paternity and taking financial responsibility.
It does suggest he was around all the time - throughout the pregnancy and birth - but then why didnt he register the birth straight away? 
Maybe he needed a birth cert for some reason and found there wasnt one? Putting his sons name down for the school maybe?

[monkers]

Alexander may have known Annie Berry, the family story seems to think he might have done. His adoptive father, the preacher was originally from this area.
I think there was some reason why none of the babies in the Berry household were registered in the correct time frame. I would love to know why.
I don't think he needed to track Ken down, he was always around living nearby. Maybe he even made an effort to see Ken when he was a baby, who knows. Certainly Ken never met him when he was old enough to remember it.
He cared enough to send him to fancy school, but not enough to remove him from Annie's care who abused him. I suppose things were different in those days and being vile to children was acceptable.
He just turned off when he went bankrupt. I suppose he had other things to worry about. Poor Ken, he always expected his dad to turn up one day like a knight in shining armour, but he never did. He was aware when he was a child that his dad was paying for his education.

[monkers]

Alexander Harvey Lloyd  Could he have been away at sea, army  at th time of the birth? Sandra

I don't think so. He is on the 1911 census as a salesman. Ken was born about 18 months after that and Alex registers the birth another 6 months later, and he's still a salesman on the cert.
That leaves a 2 year gap. I suppose he could have disappeared and then come back, but I think he probably just stayed working in the area.

[Yasmina4]

I had a family research project where a cousin of my friend was discovered as a foster child. Parents unmarried.  The parents married when the child was 7 but the mother died a few months later. The child never lived with her famiy. The child went out to Canada as a Barnardoes child.  The parents had not married earlier because the father was in India in military service an then landed up in the 1914/18 war.  A tragic tale.  The story came to light when the girl's half sister found miltary documentation listing her elder half sister who she never knew of and had died before the she found she had existed.  So many stories out there  Sandra

[carol8353]

Ken was born on the third of September 1912 at “Amanda”, Pinner Road, Ruislip, Northwood. His birth certificates states that his mother was Lilian Kate Austin and his father was Alexander Harvey Lloyd. His birth was registered on the 7th March 1913, some months later than it should have been registered. Lilian is registered Lloyd nee Austin, but they never married. The birth was registered by his father. His mother was long gone.

Does it show her as Lilian Kate Austin or - Lilian Kate nee Austin

That was answered way back in proceedings