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Christening for Kenneth Ivor Lloyd
« on: Wednesday 24 July 13 18:54 BST (UK) »
I am having trouble locating this baptism. He was born in September 1912 in Northwood Middlesex, but wasn't registered until 1913. His parents were not married but were called Alexander Harvey Lloyd and Lilian Kate Austin. Essentially, I am trying to find out more about Lilian as she disappeared not long after having Kenneth and was never seen of again!
Of course he may never have been christened, would this have been common for an illegitimate child?

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Re: Christening for Kenneth Ivor Lloyd
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 24 July 13 19:03 BST (UK) »
Per freebmd

Births March qtr 1889   Lilian Kate Austin    Eastry  2a 965

Any baptism will tell you no more than you already know - (ie) parents names.  It won't show any personal info about her
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Re: Christening for Kenneth Ivor Lloyd
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 24 July 13 19:06 BST (UK) »
However!!!

Marriages Jun 1910   

Lilian Kate Austin to either George Edward Neighbour or Herbert George Warner Edmonton 3A 644

So perhaps not the same Lilian Kate
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Re: Christening for Kenneth Ivor Lloyd
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 24 July 13 19:23 BST (UK) »
Who registered the birth in 1913?  Is anything shown on the cert re: reason for late reg?

Does it show her as Lilian Kate Austin or - Lilian Kate nee Austin
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Re: Christening for Kenneth Ivor Lloyd
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 24 July 13 19:43 BST (UK) »
Hi, thanks for the reply.
Well, it is a fascinating story, well to me anyway and gives some insight into the fostering process of the times.
Ken was born on the third of September 1912 at “Amanda”, Pinner Road, Ruislip, Northwood. His birth certificates states that his mother was Lilian Kate Austin and his father was Alexander Harvey Lloyd. His birth was registered on the 7th March 1913, some months later than it should have been registered. Lilian is registered Lloyd nee Austin, but they never married. The birth was registered by his father. His mother was long gone.

Ken was brought up by foster parents.

A census search of this address the year before, shows that the house is occupied by an Annie Berry and her family, plus some lodgers. It was interesting that there were a couple of small children listed as visitors with no parents - Ernest Winter, a four year old and Barbara Brown, a baby of under one month. There is also a young woman staying there with another newborn baby. She is listed as French and married, which with a name like Ruth Sutton, which at first seemed unlikely, but after making some checks, it seemed to be true.
This made me wonder if Annie was some kind of “back street” midwife. Perhaps hers was a place that unmarried mothers went to give birth, and then maybe left their children with Annie to foster.

As for the delay in registering Ken’s birth, there is a pattern here. Both the other small children had their births registered late too. Maybe there was some kind of loophole for unofficial fostering? The adoption process did not come into being until 1926. It does seem odd that all the children are registered late. Even in those days there was a fine if the birth was registered late.

One other point regarding the 1911 cencus is that Annie would have filled it in herself. Why would she have listed the two small children as visitors if they are foster children? I firmly believe that what she was doing was unofficial and she was keen to keep it that way.
I think she received payment direct from the families of the children. Certainly Ken's father Alexander paid for him to attend Whitgift school. Ken never met his father or mother and it must have been very odd receiving this money from his father somewhere in the background.

Anyway, after all that.... I was hoping that maybe he was christened after all. In some christenings I have found extra snippets of information on some sites, so I was just hoping it might provide more of a clue about Lilian.
my guess is that she would have been young in 1912, unmarried and living in the Middlesex area. There are a couple of possibles but I really need something more concrete to link her with Ken.
Sorry for the long story, I have got carried away!   ;D

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Re: Christening for Kenneth Ivor Lloyd
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 24 July 13 20:07 BST (UK) »
However!!!

Marriages Jun 1910   

Lilian Kate Austin to either George Edward Neighbour or Herbert George Warner Edmonton 3A 644

So perhaps not the same Lilian Kate

There is a death in 1976 for a 101 year old Lillian Kate Neighbour!

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Re: Christening for Kenneth Ivor Lloyd
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 24 July 13 21:58 BST (UK) »
Interesting - that would put her birthyear approx 1875 and make her 37 when Kenneth was born which gives us this birth

Births June qtr 1875 
Lilian Kate Austin     Frome  5c 508

There is only one Neighbour/Austin marriage which fits and that's the 1910.  Would a fairly newly wed have a fling resulting in the birth of an illegitimate son ???

There are no Neighbour/Austin births on freebmd until 1934
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Re: Christening for Kenneth Ivor Lloyd
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 24 July 13 21:59 BST (UK) »
The free 1911 index has a Lilian Kate Neighbour aged 35 living in Hampstead matching a Somerset birthplace
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Re: Christening for Kenneth Ivor Lloyd
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 24 July 13 22:10 BST (UK) »
Lilian Kate & George Edward Neighbour addresses from Electoral registers

1920 - 53 Hazellville Rd Islington
1922 - 47 Palace Rd Haringey
1923  - ditto
1924 - ditto
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