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Re: Photo from Co. Down in Northern Ireland - Unidentified Uniform
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 03 May 06 11:07 BST (UK) »
Thanks very much Chris.
I'll definitely be following up the reference.
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Re: Photo from Co. Down in Northern Ireland - Unidentified Uniform
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 03 May 06 11:36 BST (UK) »
Hiya Kath,

Sorry, That guy is not wearing a whip or a riding
crop. It is too long. I am sure it is a polo stick..
I think that is the correct term.  His helmet has a
fancy braid decoration. Does anyone know, did
the old polo hekmets have a spike ???

I googled for helmets and found all sorts including
a motot cycle helmet for a dog. Does a dog, who
has a licence already, need another licence to ride
a motorcycle ??? What is a dog doing on a motor
cycle in the first instance ??? Can you not be
prosecuted for taking your dog on your pillion ???
It would be dangerous enough in a sidecar :D

All the Best, Chris 

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Re: Photo from Co. Down in Northern Ireland - Unidentified Uniform
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 03 May 06 12:24 BST (UK) »
Hi Chris,
I don't think that's a polo mallett - they are about 50 inches long and much heavier, and there's no actual head on the one he's holding.  I think it's some kind of riding whip.  Also I don't think polo helmets ever (officially) had a spike like that on top - they were pith helmet shaped though, in the past.
Just to add that I know absolutely NOTHING about military garb but I'm sure that's not polo gear  :)
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Re: Photo from Co. Down in Northern Ireland - Unidentified Uniform
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 03 May 06 12:31 BST (UK) »

unless i'm very much mistaken ( has been known) thats a tropical version of the Home Service (blue cloth) helmet

i can't find a pic of the white version ( which was lighter) but this is the blue ( home) version, the 'braid' is the chin strap



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Re: Photo from Co. Down in Northern Ireland - Unidentified Uniform
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 03 May 06 13:09 BST (UK) »
Hi Chris,
I don't think that's a polo mallett -
they are about 50 inches long and much heavier,
and there's no actual head on the one he's holding. 
I think it's some kind of riding whip. 
Also I don't think polo helmets ever (officially) had
a spike like that on top - they were pith helmet
shaped though, in the past.
Just to add that I know absolutely NOTHING about
military garb but I'm sure that's not polo gear  :)
Prue

Hiya Prue,

harribobs thinks the helmet is tropical.
That stick is too long to be some kind
of riding whip. How about a billiards or
snooker cue. Billiards was a popular game
in the tropics. The game was originally
started in India.

Best Wishes, Chris


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Re: Photo from Co. Down in Northern Ireland - Unidentified Uniform
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 03 May 06 21:54 BST (UK) »
Hello Chris  :)

I agree it's a bit long for a standard riding whip...what's that on the top end?  Is that the photo going funny or a little switch on the end of a solid cane?  If it's a switch then it still could be a riding whip, just an old-fashioned one.  I don't know what they used to use on those days (whenever "those days" were).  It reminds me, actually, of a driving whip, or a buggy whip - longer in the shaft, with a switch on the end.  Not sure if he would  have thought that was fancy enough to pose with...?

It's very fine for a billiard (etc) cue - but not out of the question, for sure!

Prue

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Re: Photo from Co. Down in Northern Ireland - Unidentified Uniform
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 03 May 06 22:33 BST (UK) »
Hi
Just thought I would add my twopennyworth.
1) He has a stripe on his left arm. (Lance Corporal)?
2) He has a white strip down side of tunic. (Dress tunic)?
3) Cane he is holding has what looks like an engraved knob. (Non-commisioned officers very often had these.?
First instinct would be army.
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Re: Photo from Co. Down in Northern Ireland - Unidentified Uniform
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 03 May 06 23:11 BST (UK) »
I made the picture a bit smaller and cleaned it up a little - not sure if it helps to determine anything?  There's a bit of loss of detail in the original, which I couldn't do anything about unfortunately  :'(
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Re: Photo from Co. Down in Northern Ireland - Unidentified Uniform
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 03 May 06 23:13 BST (UK) »
you're getting much too technical with your file names Prue  ;D ;D

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