William Owen Williams

[pixie101]

Hi to all membes,,
I have just discovered this site. I am researching my family history and have not been able to find  any record of birth for my grandfather. any help would be most welcome. His name Was William Owen Williams and according to his marriage cert his father was a farmer named John. He married Maria Ellen Smith of Coedpoeth Denbighshire in 1910 his stated age is 34 years and place of birth stated as Henllan Denbighshire, he died in 1955 and according to the records he was 80 years.

Maria Ellen Smith was the daughter of Thomas Smith 1856 and Sinah Jones 1857. Maria Ellen took her own life in 1917 she had been treated at Denbigh Asylum in 1910 and at a later period. William Owen was known as Will traction as he and his brother Hugh operated a traction engine in the north wales area, Hugh lived in Colwyn Bay with his wife and daughter nellie.

Any help would be most appreciated many thanks pixie101

[CaroleW]

Hi and welcome to Rootschat

Have you already discounted this birth - although Henllan came under St Asaph back then

Births September qtr 1874
William Owen Williams   Llanrwst  11b 376   

[CaroleW]

I've just found a William Owen Williams on the 1881 - aged 6 b Gwytherin but he is a boarder with Peter & Jemima Williams.  Peter was a farmer

Gwytherin was in the Llanrwst reg district so his is the birth above

[CaroleW]

Have you considered that he may have been illegitimate and made up a fathers name when he married so as to appear "respectable"?

This was very common practice amongst illegitimate children back then

[keyboard86]

I've just found a William Owen Williams on the 1881 - aged 6 b Gwytherin but he is a boarder with Peter & Jemima Williams.  Peter was a farmer

Gwytherin was in the Llanrwst reg district so his is the birth above

The baptism of that William appears to be:-

William Owen Williams 2nd May 1875 Gwytherin Father John Mother Ellen
Keyboard86

[CaroleW]

Just beat me to it Keyboard - here's the link from Family Search

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KCPF-27K

[pixie101]

Many thanks for the reply, the william owen williams 1874 bmd  father not john, I have considered the wow in the 1881 census born gwytherin living with a peter williams, I need to be able to tie him in with a brother hugh, however gwytherin is not in the parish of henllan.,,   not using capitals as recommended is that correct? pixie101

[Ladyhawk]

I've just found a William Owen Williams on the 1881 - aged 6 b Gwytherin but he is a boarder with Peter & Jemima Williams.  Peter was a farmer

I wonder if Peter was the brother of John and wonder if this is the same Peter from 1881 census

1861 RG9; Piece: 4297; Folio: 6; Page: 6
Peter Williams 28 Llansannan Debingh occ. Ag Lab.
Jemima 28 Llannefydd Denbigh
John 1 month St Asaph

AMENDED  have removed census with John & Arabella
Thanks  Osprey should have spotted that 

[CaroleW]

Hi

not using capitals as recommended

That only applies to the whole post - not places or names etc.  Some people inadvertantly type their whole message in upper case which makes reading it difficult