Help to find a marriage please(***Completed with thanks***)

[keinname]

majm I am not sure if you make me squirm or laugh nervously as I always have to dot my "i"s and cross my "t"s.

I will try to explain it more fully. On the index an illegitimate birth to a woman who is married or widowed is shown 2 (or more) times with an R. In each instance the mother will be shown with her maiden surname. The child will be shown with the mother's married surname and the mother's maiden surname and no father named. If a father's name is recorded on the birth regiostration, as Raylen has just demonstrated, the child will be shown a 3rd time with the father's surname, and the father named. There is no surname recorded for the child on the birth registration.

[majm]

Thanks Judith 

I am NSW centric, and I know that the various NSW BDM online indexes come from the initial work of volunteers back in the 1930s who were working with a partial index made by NSW BDM clerks in around 1912-1914.   I know this simply because I was told this directly by one of the 1930s volunteers whose father was one of those 1912-1914 clerks.  The 1912-1914 clerk was of course my late Grandfather, who obtained release from there to become a clerk at Base Records for our AIF personnel.    I have also had many conversations with NSW BDM senior managers in the 1970s who confirmed the information, (again, these chaps are my relatives, retiring from NSW BDM in the 1980s)  and earlier with SAG senior members who were involved in the 1930s efforts by my late uncle.

I have very little practical knowledge of the Vic BDM indexes but I think it is fair to presume similar volunteer efforts are behind the initial Pioneer/Federation Indexes..... 

Cheers,  JM

http://www.bdm.vic.gov.au/home/family+history/search+your+family+history/family+history+search+guide/

[Raylen]

Hi Judith,

Maybe when you get a reply it will be clearer than I will try to explain 

I just phoned Vic BDM and was told that in the case on this thread,
Campbell/Hughan/Butler, It would be indexed 3 times because the mother
used 3 different surnames on the registration. In this case the "R" = multiple entries.

Where there is a registration number,  eg 1234 and another 1234R, this would indicate
that there is an error either in the reading of the actual registration or a
error when entering the information from the registration.  They had no provision
to amend an entry once it had been keyed in so the alteration was coded with the "R"

Is that as clear as mud??? 

Raylen

[keinname]

When & where married, Issue Living & deceased (of this marriage):
8th January 1879, Sherwood
(Note: Just days before Margaret's 16th birthday)
Cornelius 14
Richard 13
Mary 11
Maggie 9
(Note: Sydney Walter not listed as he is not a child of this marriage)
THIS SECTION THEN CROSSED OUT AND WRITTEN ACROSS IT:
Cancelled, Illegitimate

What is shown above is EXACTLY what I meant when I wrote:
The revision is the crossing out of the details of Margaret's marriage to Moore.
~I must learn to try to communicate better.~

There is no revision of Margaret's birth surname on the document.

[keinname]

So in no case if I have understood you correctly Raylen does R = revision. It either means multiple entries (Repeat) or a revision of the index (when both say 1234R and 1234) from a previous transcription error or a previous error of information entry.

[keinname]

I understand that those two indexes are available at Ancestry as part of the subscription members of Ancestry pay.

Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
Australia Cemetery Index, 1808-2007

I am very sorry JM but I am unsure of the meaning of what you were trying to say.

Yes these two indexes may be incomplete in that they may not include every death record in Victoria, but they do include many many of the deaths records in Victoria. I use the first index all the time to order death registrations of Vic BDM as it gives the index number. So much better then paying $1 a time to do a search for the index number on Vic BDM itself. With the second index I find many deaths that do not appear on the first.

Then of course there are the many deaths that do not appear on either index, and that those on rootschat who have access to even better indexes than these cannot find a death record for either. The missing deaths that cause so many headaches...

[majm]

So in no case if I have understood you correctly Raylen does R = revision. It either means multiple entries (Repeat) or a revision of the index (when both say 1234R and 1234) from a previous transcription error or a previous error of information entry.

R could well = repeat.

I think the "R" on the index for Ada's birth is the revision of Margaret's birth surname  on the document

Cheers,  JM

[keinname]

I think the "R" on the index for Ada's birth is the revision of Margaret's birth surname  on the document

There is no revision of Margaret's birth surname on the document.

There is, however, a transcription error in the index for Margaret's birth surname - Corbett and Corben.

I have provided a full transcription of the birth registration previously.

[judb]

Thanks, Raylen. That's what I thought.  I guess the point I was making is that indexes are just summaries and that the information in the actual registration may be reflected (or not!) on the indexes.

Then there is the overlay of the Australian Death Index on Ancestry which, again, may or may not include correct information and certainly has many missing.  It's a wonder we manage, between us, to find so many BMDs! 

Judith