Forbes ANGUS of Tarves

[Dale Fogarty]

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Post began genefinder 29 Jan 09
Last reply Lucy2 2 Mar 09

This is my first post to Rootschat so not sure if I am doing it right. I recently discovered a number of posts related to Forbes ANGUS of Tarves but cannot reply to the original post, perhaps because it was too long ago. I am interested to find out the outcome of that thread.

I am a descendant of
Forbes ANGUS and Elizabeth LAMB  also Alexander FORBES and Charlotte CLARK and am seeking any information about births, marriages and deaths, immigration etc.

James ANGUS & Jane FORBES - Scotland, NZ, Australia

nolabea
Thank you for the interesting information on the FORBES family. I haven't pursued this line of the family yet.
I am interested in more info on George Shepherd ANGUS, youngest son of James ANGUS & Jane FORBES and where the middle names of the family members came from. You also said you had certificates. Would it be possible to get copies from you please?
Forbes ANGUS marriage to Margaret INKSON 1867
James ANGUS Death 1916
Forbes ANGUS Death 1909
George Shepherd ANGUS Death

genefinder
Pictures of James ANGUS & Jane FORBES graves in Brighton Cemetery
Pictures of ship and ship's list 'James Nicol Fleming' arrived in NZ 1870
Would it be possible to share these please or tell me where I can find them for myself?

Lucy2
Can you remember what your solution to the confusion about Isabella ANGUS was? I do not think the one in Victoria (married to John Russell in 1884) fits this family

There were two Isabella ANGUSs in this family. (This name combination is not that uncommon - there were at least 4 in NZ alone)
1. Isabella Bothwell Forbes ANGUS b 2 Jul 1861 Old Meldrum, Aberdeenshire
married William STRINGFELLOW 18 Sep 1889 in Christchurch, New Zealand and died in 1940 in NZ.
2. Isabella ANGUS b 3 Mar 1885 Christchurch, NZ daughter of Forbes ANGUS (son of James ANGUS) and Amy Florence HURST.

With the exception of Isabella Bothwell Forbes ANGUS who stayed in NZ the rest of the ANGUS family went to Australia. The HURST family went from Tasmania to NZ and then Victoria. I am interested in knowing when they came to Australia (around 1886?) and whether they travelled as family groups or separately. Any help appreciated.
I am willing to share anything I have.
Thanks
Dale

[Lucy2]

Hi Dale

 .... welcome.   

Here is the link which will take you to the (FORBES) thread you mention.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,356825.0.html

I'll need to take a good long look at this again to refresh my memory, before I can reply to your question. 

   ~   Lu

[Dale Fogarty]

Thank you Lu. There are other threads that are also relevant BDM udny and death Forbes Angus 1800's tarves  . I have studied these posts closely and made a methodical summary if that helps. The information I have is that the younger Isabella ANGUS (daughter of Forbes ANGUS) married John Edwin BURDEKIN. They had a son John Forbes BURDEKIN. I need to verify sources and get dates.

Any help with shipping would be great. I have a Mrs and Mrs Forbes ANGUS into Victoria in 1886 but the ship is marked as coming from a British port not New Zealand. I am not sure if it is them as their first 4 children were born in New Zealand and the youngest of these was born in 1889 so I think 1890 is more likely for their move to Australia.

Thanks for your help.
Dale

[Lucy2]

Hi Dale

Sorry, still haven't had time to look over this yet  ... will get back to you though later.

    ~  Lu 

[Lucy2]

Hello again Dale

Afraid I'm not able to offer you much more help with this search.  I have no idea of whether the original poster on the earlier thread, resolved things - I didn't ever receive a reply to my question.

From the Australian death index is the following (in case you don't have it).

BURDEKIN - John Forbes
Died at :  Elsternwick, Victoria - 1973
Aged :  46 years   [bc 1927 ]
Father:   Edwin John
Mother:   Isabella ANGUS

   ~  Lu

[Dale Fogarty]

Thanks Lu. I realise that the original poster did not reply but your comment about having found a solution intrigued me. It was a long time ago.

Thank you for the info on John Forbes BURDEKIN.

I will now try and get the death certificates of James ANGUS, Forbes ANGUS and Alexander Forbes  ANGUS (my GrGF).

I will keep searching the shipping records for when the ANGUS and HURST families came to Australia from NZ in the 1880s. The ships are designated B British Ports, N New Zealand and F Foreign. Is it possible that a ship from a British port would come via New Zealand to Australia and therefore be designated B rather than N? If so, then I should be looking for ships from both B and N.

Thank for for your welcome and help. It has made my first foray into rootschat a pleasant experience and encourages me to continue to use this forum to help me with my research.
Dale

[Lucy2]

Hi Dale

Not sure if you are aware, but there are a good number of other researchers who have submitted "trees" for both the (James / Forbes ) ANGUS and HURST families, at the ancestry.com website.     

I think it would be worthwhile establishing contact with them, as they may already have copies of BMD certs. ... or at least be able to assist with your queries.

[Just in case you're not familiar with ancestry.com, - you need a subscription to the site in order to view these trees.   Ancestry offer a free trial - or you can take out an "inexpensive" monthly subscription.]

Best of luck with your searching.   

    ~  Lu   

[lexx]

Hello I am related to these people and have some information on Victoria records but would love information on the nz link.  I know that there was a lot of travel between nz and Melbourne by this family and they were sheep farmers in nz. I slso have a great picture of the angus family father james. I am doing this from my phone please email me

[Dale Fogarty]

Thanks for your message. I am travelling just at the moment but will contact you again after the 7/11.