William Briggs.

[Sandiehawk]

Smudwhisk you may be right about Thomas being William's middle name. I have a copy of the family tree from a relative that says William Briggs 1808-1858 married Ann Smith. His father is Charles and on this tree it states Betsy Upton as the wife.
There is a baptism for a William Thomas Briggs for June 1806, parents Charles and Elizabeth.
 I don't have a problem with who William is but can't decide who his parents were.
Thanks for help so far,
Sandi.

[suzard]

Hi,

You quoted Samuel b. 1803 as brother to William (Thomas?) - on baptism Samuel's parents were Charles Vango & Elizabeth

So wondered if William's father was Charles Vango Briggs???

It helps if we can confirm middle names

Suz

[Sandiehawk]

Hi Suzard, I'm not sure if Charles father's second name was Vango or not. Also just who his father was. I think it was Thomas b abt 1762- 18-9-1813 married to Mary Stockwell 1761-1831.  Other tree's have his father as Charles Ellis b abt 1754, married to Ann. Both tree's have good points in their favour.  I'm staying with Thomas until I see a better argument!
Cherrs,
Sandi.

[smudwhisk]

Smudwhisk you may be right about Thomas being William's middle name. I have a copy of the family tree from a relative that says William Briggs 1808-1858 married Ann Smith. His father is Charles and on this tree it states Betsy Upton as the wife.

I was actually querying whether you have any proof that William was born William Thomas Briggs because all of the indexes, including his death which lists his parents and Charles and Betsey, list him as just William.  You say you don't have a problem with who his parents were, but you do have a problem on whether the Shoreditch baptism is him or another William with parents of those names.

It's not impossible that he just dropped his middle name, but just because he is listed as born London with parents of those names doesn't mean that baptism is correct for him.  Briggs is a very common name, I should know as my great grandmother was a Briggs whose family originated in and around Bethnal Green, Whitechapel and Shoreditch, although there is no connection with a Charles Briggs or Charles Vango Briggs.  You really need to be sure that that William is definately yours I'm afraid.  He could have been born non-conformist even if he did end up marrying CofE in Australia (assuming that is the case).  Unfortunately with such a common name in London, and no indication of where in London he was born on any entry I've seen, you need to remember London is a large place.

There is a baptism for a William Thomas Briggs for June 1806, parents Charles and Elizabeth.
 I don't have a problem with who William is but can't decide who his parents were.

I suspect from the locations that the Charles and Elizabeth Briggs in Shoreditch will have been the couple who married at Bishopsgate as it's very close by, rather than Lambeth.  However, whether all the Shoreditch baptisms to Charles Briggs and Charles Vango Briggs are the same couple, remains to be seen.

[smudwhisk]

No  help but interesting

http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t18241028-90-punish481&div=t18241028-90#highlight

Don't think that's the same William Briggs, the Prison Hulk Registers which link to the NSW records say he was convicted at the London Sessions 6 April 1826.

[kevingb63]

Hi, my name is Kevin Briggs and my great grandfather James William Briggs and his wife Hannah (nee Olds settled in South Australia in 1908 with their three sons James, Frederick and my grandfather George Henry Briggs and my GGGG Grandfather Charles was the brother of William Thomas Briggs, I have a copy of the wedding notice of Charles Ellis Briggs and Ann Statham witnessed by Thomas and John Vango his half brothers, Charles his son had the name Vango added in respect of his step father who raised him.
Charles Ellis Briggs parents were Arthur Briggs and Ann Ellis and Arthur's parents were Robert Briggs and Mary Gardiner I can go back a couple more generations, the world just keeps getting smaller as I thought my family were the first Briggs to come to Australia

[Sandiehawk]

Hi Kevin, thanks for the information. You're right, the world does get smaller and smaller!!
My family of Briggs settled in New South Wales and most descendants are still there although I'm in Victoria. I have revised that branch of my tree but still finding out more details.
Sandiehawk

[davies51]

Hi Kevin, I have decided the problem with the Briggs is they had such a limited vocab when It came to names!!!!  I have a Frederick Briggs Born Wiltshire England,(1828 - 1905) Brother to my GGG grandfather John Briggs (1804 - 1888) He came to  South Aust  sometime prior to his marriage in 1861.

[mariaf]

Hi Frederick William Briggs was my GG Grandfather, born Hawkhill, Lesbury Northumberland.Born 1828. Father Robert Briggs. For some reason everyone said he was born in 'Wessex'. The Northumberland family had family names like Hamilton which was the second name for one of his boys. Married first to Elizabeth Leigh, 4 children, then to Mary Ann Ford, a widow nee McEvoy in Burra SA. They had 7 or 8. It would be interesting to see if its the same man. Maria