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John Bamford Hale b. 1819
« on: Thursday 11 July 13 01:03 BST (UK) »
Im looking for any information on John Bamford Hale B. 1819 in Ross, Herefordshire. He married Susannah Hayward (B.1817 in Kineton, warwickshire) in 1839 in Ross. They had 4 children Walter (b. 1840), Mathew (b. 1841), Hannah (B. 1848) & William (b. 1850). They lived in Westminster in 1851 Census and John Was a tailor. They emigrated to Western Australia sometime between 1851 & 1853. They had one more son Robert (my great great great grandfather) in 1853 in Australia. Bamford appears to be a family name as it has been used as a middle name for quite a few of Johns descendants.
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Re: John Bamford Hale b. 1819
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 11 July 13 07:34 BST (UK) »
I wonder if this is John's christening on Family Search, slightly mistranscribed and christened just over the border in Mitcheldean?  Does his marriage certificate confirm his father's name?

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NPCW-RL1


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Re: John Bamford Hale b. 1819
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 11 July 13 10:11 BST (UK) »
I had seen that on another website (I cant remember where now) I didn't realise Mitcheldean was that close? Then I think it could very well be him! I don't have his marriage certificate just the England & Wales FMB MArriage Index off ancestry.com.au It lists them as being married in the Sup-registrars district of Ross vol 26 page 251 if that helps?

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Re: John Bamford Hale b. 1819
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 11 July 13 11:01 BST (UK) »
On the Family Search site Susannah Haywood is actually listed as marrying James Harris who is also on the possible list of partners on the FreeBMD Index
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NFVW-ZJ3

Do you have one of John and Susannah's birth certs that would confirm Susannah's maiden name?


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Re: John Bamford Hale b. 1819
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 11 July 13 11:43 BST (UK) »
The couples eldest child Walter appears to have been born in Cheltenham in about 1839  and there is a marriage on the FreeBMD Index in the Cheltenham Reg District in Dec qtr 1838 Vol11 Page 256 with possible partners including John Hale and Hannah Green.

In 1841 the couple appear to be living in Kineton with Susannah possibly listed as Hannah and also an Elizabeth Green.  They are transcribed as Hall but the image is Hale

John Hale    20 Tailor Not born in County
Hannah Hale 20
Walter Hale 2
Elizabeth Green  65

On Family Search there is a christening on a Hannah Green in the village with mother Elizabeth
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NVMX-Q45

I wonder if John Hale married Hannah Green and she later used the name Susannah.
 

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Re: John Bamford Hale b. 1819
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 11 July 13 12:09 BST (UK) »
Hi

They were Non-Conformist? Which  may explain why  John & his siblings were baptised in Michaeldean - the nearest church for their religion perhaps?

Here is another researcher of the same family; in part, says son Robert was born in Gibraltar.
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/HALE/1997-11/0880875704

And here, a transcription of a Burial Index for Robert, saying he was:  s/o John Bamford HALE & Susannah (THOMAS), born Gibraltar.
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/DPS-CHAT/2000-04/0957102091

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Re: John Bamford Hale b. 1819
« Reply #6 on: Friday 12 July 13 07:29 BST (UK) »
Im wondering if maybe John Bamford Hale was married twice... Hannah Green first and then Susannah Thomas? As there is a bit of a gap in the ages of the kids? And perhaps Susannah Hayward was the wrong person completely!


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Re: John Bamford Hale b. 1819
« Reply #7 on: Friday 12 July 13 07:58 BST (UK) »
I agree re Susannah Hayward and think this could well be Susannah Hayward and husband James Harris in 1841. Living at Little Dean Hill in the adjoining Forest of Dean

James Harris    26
Susannah Harris 19
May Ann Harris    4 Months

It is possible that John remarried a Susannah, but the names have a similarity and in 1851 Susannah was listed as born in Kineton in the right year to be Hannah. 

One way to confirm it would be a birth cert of one of the younger children
   

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Re: John Bamford Hale b. 1819
« Reply #8 on: Friday 12 July 13 09:12 BST (UK) »
Ok ive just found a marriage banns dated 1st September 1857 for John Bamford Hale, Widower, and Susannah Thomas. His occupation is listed as a tailor not as a warder as in the other links posted. I thought they were in Australia before this date but maybe not. They were definitely in Australia by 1865 as she died here then. unfortunately on her death certificate her fathers and mothers name is unknown.