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REDMAN in Speen
« on: Monday 08 July 13 05:51 BST (UK) »
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Looking to see if a Millicent or Melicent REDMAN was baptised in Speen in 1808 give or take 1 year. An 1851 census entry gives her place and year of birth as "Wiltshire, Spine" and 1808. Obviously, I'm taking a punt on a number of assumptions, but Spine, Wilts does not seem to have existed.

In hope . . .
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Re: REDMAN in Speen
« Reply #1 on: Monday 08 July 13 07:03 BST (UK) »
I may be wrong but I think Speen is in Berkshire(sorry you posted under Berkshire).

Did she marry in 1856 John Keeves Pountney and in 1861 in she living as a mother in law with her daughter Charlotte Miller and son in law James E Taylor and family in Claines in Worcestershire?
RG 9 Piece 2109 Folio 7 Page 11

If so could his be her in 1871living at Edgebaston Birmingham and listed as born in Salisbury?

John R Poutney    57 Leather Merchant b Warwick
Millicent Poutney 61 b Salisbury Wiltshire
Mary Ann Dawson 23 Servant
Hannah Pritchard 19Servant

RG10 Piece 3081 Folio 17 Page 25

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Re: REDMAN in Speen
« Reply #2 on: Monday 08 July 13 07:37 BST (UK) »
The 1851 reference is Class: HO107; Piece: 1490; Folio: 734; Page: 11

And she is Millicent Miller, a widow.

The handwriting is awful! ::) And the transcription is spine, but looks to me more like Sh...?
Garrad (Suffolk, Essex, Somerset), Crocker (Somerset), Vanstone (Devon, Jersey), Sims (Wiltshire), Bridger (Kent)

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Re: REDMAN in Speen
« Reply #3 on: Monday 08 July 13 07:43 BST (UK) »
On Find My Past it is transcribed as Shere.


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Re: REDMAN in Speen
« Reply #4 on: Monday 08 July 13 08:24 BST (UK) »
I may be wrong but I think Speen is in Berkshire(sorry you posted under Berkshire).

Did she marry in 1856 John Keeves Pountney and in 1861 in she living as a mother in law with her daughter Charlotte Miller and son in law James E Taylor and family in Claines in Worcestershire?
RG 9 Piece 2109 Folio 7 Page 11

If so could his be her in 1871living at Edgebaston Birmingham and listed as born in Salisbury?

John R Poutney    57 Leather Merchant b Warwick
Millicent Poutney 61 b Salisbury Wiltshire
Mary Ann Dawson 23 Servant
Hannah Pritchard 19Servant

RG10 Piece 3081 Folio 17 Page 25

Kay

Yes, that would be her. I posted under Berks as I wondered if the parish had been part of Wiltshire sometime earlier, as places further east had been. With regard to the findmypast transcription, on the previous page of the census is the word "carpenter" (for Peter Pledger), where the "p" closely resembles the second letter of her birthplace. We're getting down to aspects of regional accents and transcription here, but I thought perhaps "Spine" = "Speen". It is possible that the word is "Spere"; there is one reference online [ http://history.wiltshire.gov.uk/community/getfaq.php?id=529 ] that might imply a placename but extremely localised. Interestingly, it's near Salisbury. But wouldn't the census entry refer to a parish, village or township?

KGarrad: Yes, I could have wished for better handwriting.  ;D

Another point: at least two of her children were listed as born in Highworth, GLS. However, there's a Highworth in Wiltshire, as opposed to what now appears to be a tiny part of Cheltenham. I should add: her "common law" husband from 1822 to his death in 1846 was a wealthy man - William Miller of Ozleworth Park in Gloucestershire. These various places of birth (or at least baptism) for children imply a fairly mobile life.

If there was a Speen baptism to more or less match I would feel less insecure about my assumptions.

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Re: REDMAN in Speen
« Reply #5 on: Monday 08 July 13 09:34 BST (UK) »
But wouldn't the census entry refer to a parish, village or township?


Another point: at least two of her children were listed as born in Highworth, GLS. However, there's a Highworth in Wiltshire, as opposed to what now appears to be a tiny part of Cheltenham.

The 1851 census was the first to ask the question "Where were you born?".
Obviously answers vary! Some put county, or city, or town, or hamlet, or even farm!
There were (and are!) no hard and fast rules. ::)

The Gloucestershire bit is ditto'd from the lines above. It is possible that the enumerator meant dittoed from mum's line?!


EUREKA!!!

Millicent's birthplace is simply Wiltshire! ::) ;D
Written as "Wilts shire"!
Garrad (Suffolk, Essex, Somerset), Crocker (Somerset), Vanstone (Devon, Jersey), Sims (Wiltshire), Bridger (Kent)

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Re: REDMAN in Speen
« Reply #6 on: Monday 08 July 13 09:42 BST (UK) »
How clever - agree  ;D  I think she is still alive in 1881 but can't see her.  Does she lift a birthplace other than Wiltshire?

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Re: REDMAN in Speen
« Reply #7 on: Monday 08 July 13 11:04 BST (UK) »

The 1851 census was the first to ask the question "Where were you born?".
Obviously answers vary! Some put county, or city, or town, or hamlet, or even farm!
There were (and are!) no hard and fast rules. ::)

The Gloucestershire bit is ditto'd from the lines above. It is possible that the enumerator meant dittoed from mum's line?!


EUREKA!!!

Millicent's birthplace is simply Wiltshire! ::) ;D
Written as "Wilts shire"!
<Blush>. You're right, I think. Enumerator wrote "Wilts". . . thought that's a bit short, and just stuck "Shire" on the end. Oh well. Great^3 grandmother Millicent remains a woman of mystery.

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Re: REDMAN in Speen
« Reply #8 on: Monday 08 July 13 11:27 BST (UK) »
How clever - agree  ;D  I think she is still alive in 1881 but can't see her.  Does she lift a birthplace other than Wiltshire?

Kay

Probate puts her death in 1890 (in Surrey, under "Pountney"), but I have never located her in the 1871 and later censuses.

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