Any other way to find his parents

[Leanne.]

Thank you.

So does this mean he won't show up on any records

[majm]

Thank you.

So does this mean he won't show up on any records

No, it simply means you may need to actually go and visit the archives to find the records rather than just try to rely on online indexes

Cheers  JM

[Leanne.]

I contacted Ryde library and they sent me a copy of the original record.




The email from her:

Hello Leanne
 
Unfortunately I have looked at the marriage entry and it does not give
you the information you require.
 
I have however attached it for you as there is other interesting
information you can glean from it.
 
Adolphe could write as he signed his name.
 
Elizabeth could not write (she signed with a cross)
 
The witness Catherine (sister? Mother? Sister-in-law?) could not write
as she too signed with a cross.
 
The other witness was George M Pope who was the local Registrar of
Births, Deaths and Marriages, Council clerk and census taker. My feeling
is that he may have been called in to be the second witness but may not
have known the couple personally.
 

[majm]

So now you have the document to support your quest ....  Please read the link I gave you earlier (NSW mcs with blanks ) it is just a hurdle.   The clergyman recorded the details on the parish register....  .   That attachment is simply an UNreconciled NSW BDM registration

Cheers JM

[Leanne.]

So now you have the document to support your quest ....  Please read the link I gave you earlier (NSW mcs with blanks ) it is just a hurdle.   The clergyman recorded the details on the parish register....  .   That attachment is simply an UNreconciled NSW BDM registration

Cheers JM

Oh really, I thought this was the original document. Thanks I will have another look at the link.

Do you know why the address would be different.
It looks like the the handwriting is the same on both documents like it has been photocopied but the ministers signature looks different

[majm]

The cert you have from the NSW BDM and the image from the Library are both only giving you PART of the parish registers. 

You NEED to get to the original parish register.  As this is St Anne's, Ryde (C of E) you should anticipate that the registers are with the Sydney Diocese.

It can take UPTO five different registers to provide ALL the info that the bride and the groom provided to the clergyman.   

The NSW BDM cert does NOT have any markings to indicate that they had reconciled that record. 

The differences in the addresses recorded are showing you that there's been at least more than one register used at the time of the marriage.   One would be the civil one, and one would be ONE of the parish registers (C of E usually had at least two !)

Cheers,  JM

[Jennaya]

16831/1925
KETLEY  Patrick
Father Adolphus 38 YRS N SYDNEY
Mother Elizabeth  M
Registered at NORTH SYDNEY[/size][/size]

 I have just come across this thread, and have some comments to make.
The above death record would indicate that the person who died (Patrick Kelty) was aged 38 years when he died. (Not his father) This would be shown on the next column of the death record. This is common on NSW BD&M records.

Also the marriage records on the previous page show that Elizabeth's maiden name was Kelty. This could be the reason for Patrick's surname. Was his birth registered under this name or did he take her maiden name after his parents divorce.

[Leanne.]

16831/1925
KETLEY  Patrick
Father Adolphus 38 YRS N SYDNEY
Mother Elizabeth  M
Registered at NORTH SYDNEY[/size][/size]

 I have just come across this thread, and have some comments to make.
The above death record would indicate that the person who died (Patrick Kelty) was aged 38 years when he died. (Not his father) This would be shown on the next column of the death record. This is common on NSW BD&M records.

Also the marriage records on the previous page show that Elizabeth's maiden name was Kelty. This could be the reason for Patrick's surname. Was his birth registered under this name or did he take her maiden name after his parents divorce.

Ketley is his mums maiden name
He was born Neville Norman.
Family has told me they remember a story about him being called Paddy which fits in with his name being Patrick. They think he went by a different name because he could have been ashamed of his dad, but an article has been posted about him being in court so I think maybe he went by a different name due the court issue and the baby he had with another women, but he seems to be Neville on most documents except the death record index. I haven't been able to find Patrick Ketley on other records.

[Jennaya]

Sorry, I wasn't real clear, I did mean it was his mother's maiden name. I have some ancestors' on my tree who want/need to change their name for various reasons (such as wife desertion) and they choose their mother's maiden name as their new surname. Back then a person could just change their name without having to make it official.