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Re: Any other way to find his parents
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 04 July 13 16:21 BST (UK) »
Perhaps Adolphe had been orphaned/abandoned when young & brought up 'in care' so had never known his parents' names? If abandoned, could his surname indicate this was in Normandy?

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Seeking: RC baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 ? nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS,DUNEVAN Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
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Re: Any other way to find his parents
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 04 July 13 16:26 BST (UK) »
I am afraid this is getting way outside my experience. ( My only Australian connection is a guard on a convict ship who was in Australia for about 4 months in 1821!)

I'd still advocate looking at later census data to check age & birthplace, and hope I got something more specifc than "France". I have a horrible suspicion there will be many Adolphe Normands, even if we have a reasonably accurate birth range June 1859 / June 1860

Can someone with greater expertise advise if Australian immigration or passenger records might cast any light?

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Re: Any other way to find his parents
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 04 July 13 16:30 BST (UK) »
Perhaps Adolphe had been orphaned/abandoned when young & brought up 'in care' so had never known his parents' names? If abandoned, could his surname indicate this was in Normandy?

Josey

Family keep telling me that Normand indicated where he came from.
I done a little bit of research and found that Normand is the french version of Norman.
Family said that there are a few different Norman's and depending on the ending of the name you can tell where they came from. Apparently they have a D or TY or TH on the end of Norman, it indicates their origin, but I haven't been able to find any research to prove that theory.

Online searches of Adolphus / Adolphe Normand always brings up lots and lots of info about Normandy.
Researching Whitby from England & Australia, Taylor from Scotland & Australia, Norman/Normand from France & Australia. Other last names in my tree Raeburn, Appleby, Ingram, Lynch, Hayes, Baker, Ketley, Newman, Dobson, Holdsworth, Summerill, Summerell.

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Re: Any other way to find his parents
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 04 July 13 16:32 BST (UK) »
I am afraid this is getting way outside my experience. ( My only Australian connection is a guard on a convict ship who was in Australia for about 4 months in 1821!)

I'd still advocate looking at later census data to check age & birthplace, and hope I got something more specifc than "France". I have a horrible suspicion there will be many Adolphe Normands, even if we have a reasonably accurate birth range June 1859 / June 1860

Can someone with greater expertise advise if Australian immigration or passenger records might cast any light?

I haven't been able to find a death record for him in Australia. I did find one Adolphus Norman death record in Australia but family said it's not him.

I found an Adolphus Norman on a census I think it was from England and his birth place is listed as France, no other info.
He is married with some kids, I'm just not sure if it's him or not.
Researching Whitby from England & Australia, Taylor from Scotland & Australia, Norman/Normand from France & Australia. Other last names in my tree Raeburn, Appleby, Ingram, Lynch, Hayes, Baker, Ketley, Newman, Dobson, Holdsworth, Summerill, Summerell.


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Re: Any other way to find his parents
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 04 July 13 16:38 BST (UK) »
When you say marriage was dissolved by Supreme Court in 1894, is that an English or Australian? court. Do its records give any clue to where he was then living?

Given divorce in 1894 it is possible he was separated a few years earlier - so census may or may not have him with wife / children.

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Re: Any other way to find his parents
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 04 July 13 16:41 BST (UK) »

I'd still advocate looking at later census data to check age & birthplace, and hope I got something more specifc than "France". I have a horrible suspicion there will be many Adolphe Normands, even if we have a reasonably accurate birth range June 1859 / June 1860

Can someone with greater expertise advise if Australian immigration or passenger records might cast any light?

I didn't think any Australian censuses survived?
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Re: Any other way to find his parents
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 04 July 13 16:42 BST (UK) »
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Family keep telling me that Normand indicated where he came from.

My thought was that abandoned/foundling babies are often given names indicating where they were found or something else relevant.

Josey
Seeking: RC baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 ? nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS,DUNEVAN Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Halifax & Pictou: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Any other way to find his parents
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 04 July 13 16:45 BST (UK) »
When you say marriage was dissolved by Supreme Court in 1894, is that an English or Australian? court. Do its records give any clue to where he was then living?

Given divorce in 1894 it is possible he was separated a few years earlier - so census may or may not have him with wife / children.
Australia.
The marriage record say they were living in Field of Mars ( Now called Ryde ) NSW
Not sure where he was living after separation.
The police gazette records for Norman Adolphe show that he was convicted of Wife desertion in 1890 that makes me think that it's the same person. I'm thinking that he took off from his wife in 1890 and then she had to get the marriage dissolved so she could get married again.
Researching Whitby from England & Australia, Taylor from Scotland & Australia, Norman/Normand from France & Australia. Other last names in my tree Raeburn, Appleby, Ingram, Lynch, Hayes, Baker, Ketley, Newman, Dobson, Holdsworth, Summerill, Summerell.

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Re: Any other way to find his parents
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 04 July 13 16:47 BST (UK) »

I'd still advocate looking at later census data to check age & birthplace, and hope I got something more specifc than "France". I have a horrible suspicion there will be many Adolphe Normands, even if we have a reasonably accurate birth range June 1859 / June 1860

Can someone with greater expertise advise if Australian immigration or passenger records might cast any light?

I didn't think any Australian censuses survived?

What happened to them?
Researching Whitby from England & Australia, Taylor from Scotland & Australia, Norman/Normand from France & Australia. Other last names in my tree Raeburn, Appleby, Ingram, Lynch, Hayes, Baker, Ketley, Newman, Dobson, Holdsworth, Summerill, Summerell.