Harveys in Elmdon, Essex

[keyboard86]

Hi again I see a few public trees show no father, one in particular digresses from the age on the census returns, and decides they must be wrong and subtracts 1832 from the census year, at death his age once again is disowned as an error rather than the 57 in July 1894!?

Burial Nathan Harvey 11th July 1894 St Mary the Virgin Wendens .Ambo aged 57
So you takes your pick of his actual yob, that is if he was born a Harvey?

1891 RG12/1433/91/10 Nathan aged 56
Keyboard86

EDIT Also note that Mary Harvey in 1841/51 in 1861 is aged 66 with a Grandson James aged 15 living almost next door to Rebecca and Charles in 1861 Census ref RG09/1121/59/4  Walden Road. Elmdon?

[adpudding]

Hi let's start again.  I already have the 1841 & 1851 census records for Nathan Harvey, with his Mother Mary.  On that census ages were rounded up or down hence discrepancies between census records, christening records, ages at marriage and death.  I live miles from Essex (Staffordshire) and cannot afford the marriage certificate and wondered if you had access to the Essex Record Office, or had information on another family member (e.g. Minet, or Mynot, etc) that might provide his Fathers' name?  I have all of Nathan and Fannys' childrens christenings (15 children) and the marriage certificate of his daughter Sarah Ann Harvey to Frederick George Gayler.

Every method so far has not produced the Father I am looking for.  If I were nearer to Essex, I would spend much time there as there is a lot of my family come from there - Harveys, Andrews, Gaylers, Holland, Brooks, etc.  Just one name - if you can help, wonderful.  If not then ok.

Hi again, so what makes you think that your Nathan b c 1832 Mother was Mary, as the above with mother Mary was b c 1835, what do you know re Minet, ie is he the MONET aged 28 with wife Harriot and children Mary A 3 and William 1 at Bridge End Elmdon in 1861 RG09/1121/72/29 and as MYNET on 1871 RG10/1708/70/25 Marriage to Harriett??

Purchase of the marriage cert to Fanny would answer a lot of your questions?!
Keyboard86

[keyboard86]

  Hi again, what I am saying is, their appears to be 2 Nathan's one married to Rebecca the other to Fanny, how therefore do we assume that the one with mother Mary is yours?

Also in the 1841 the ages of the family do not appear to have been "Rounded down" also the 1851 how is the age for Nathan shown as 15?

Also who did Minet marry?
Keyboard86

[suffolk*sue]

St. Nicholas, Elmdon

Nathan Harvey
baptised November 1st, 1835
son of William and Mary
father a labourer.

This was the only baptism for a Nathan Harvey I could see around this time.

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Here is the marriage but the father is different.

St. Mary the Virgin, Wendens Ambo

18th April, 1857

Nathan Harvey of Arksden, bach,23yrs, labourer,father Jacob Harvey,labourer
Fanny Andrews,spinster of Wendons, aged 17yrs, father John Andrews,labourer
witnesses
Thomas Andrews
Sarah Andrews

[adpudding]

Thank you very much.  That has helped.  Cheers.  I'll look up Jacob and see what more I can find.

St. Nicholas, Elmdon

Nathan Harvey
baptised November 1st, 1835
son of William and Mary
father a labourer.

This was the only baptism for a Nathan Harvey I could see around this time.

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Here is the marriage but the father is different.

St. Mary the Virgin, Wendens Ambo

18th April, 1857

Nathan Harvey of Arksden, bach,23yrs, labourer,father Jacob Harvey,labourer
Fanny Andrews,spinster of Wendons, aged 17yrs, father John Andrews,labourer
witnesses
Thomas Andrews
Sarah Andrews

[suffolk*sue]

I have a theory. Nathan was with a Jacob in 1851, maybe he looked on him as a father.


Essex Standard = 3rd February, 1837.
Commitments
On the 28th ult.
William Harvey the younger and William Harvey the elder for stealing a lamb belonging to Jacob Prime of Elmdon.

The same story in the Chelmsford Chronicle says William senior was 46yrs old and William junior was 19yrs old.

[keyboard86]

Hi I have already posted  the "Other" possible Nathan Harvey b c 1835 occ Blacksmiths apprentice with Jacob Prime, but why therefore at marriage would he state that Jacob was a Labourer and not a Master Blacksmith, plus to answer the questioning re publishing census records are concerned, it was only done for my and others who would hopefully assist in tracing back/forth the Harvey family, sorry if it caused some concern as to lack of effort on my part in trying to sort out which Nathan married whom?!

My thoughts on the 1841/51/61 Mary, not your Nathan, could be wrong though been proved wrong before!
Keyboard86

PS still would like to know what happened to Rebecca and Charles post 1861?

[rachelharvey]

Nathan is still living with His mother Mary Harvey and his brother in 1851 however it is spelt Hathern Harvey bn 1836 and his brother's name is spelt Minet Harvey bn 1834. their father is a William Harvey bn 1790 Elmdon who got Transported for life along with 2 sons to Australia in those records it says he has 10 children these are as follows: James 1811, Samuel 1814, William 1818 Stephen 1820, Sarah 1825, Henry 1826 Joseph 1828 Thomas 1830, Mynott or Minet 1832 and Nathan 1836.  My guess about Nathan Harvey who is working as an apprentice is either a cousin or the head of both households have included them in their account. The Harvey's have done work for the Primer family in previous census's but mainly farm work.

[amondg]

The Nathan Harvey born 1835, baptized 1 November to William Harvey and Mary his wife at St Nicholas, Elmdon was BURIED 27 October 1859 age 24 at Elmdon. 

Therefore Nathan in the census from Elmdon with Mary as his mother is not the one you are looking for. 

The following is the marriage : Nathan was of Arkesden.
The marriage of Nathan Harvey age 23 of Arkesden single, labourer, father Jacob Harvey labourer
married Fanny Andrews age 17 of Wenden, father John Andrews, labourer, witnesses were Thomas and Sarah Andrews. #40 in register at St Mary the Virgin Wendens Ambo on 18 April 1857.