Deciphering 1864 Scottish death record.

[Louie13]

Thank you 

[CollSloan]

Hi everyone,

Thanks so much for all your replies and help! Its much appreciated:) The good news is that I have found her so thanks to you all! Her name on the cert. does indeed look like Grace McItirs/McIters. I had come across a Grace Sloan with a son called Thomas on the 1841 census recently but for whatever reason I didn't follow it up. Now I have found an 1851 census record and a death record for her too. It seems her marriage to James was not recorded and neither was his birth or death.

But I think I may have found a birth record for Grace in Kirkcudbrightshire. She seems to go by the very unusual name of 'Nitters' most of the time.

I've put these up here. Hopefully the attachments work!

[Louie13]

Fantastic! It's a great feeling finding something... and I don't feel as silly suggesting something other than a Mc now. 

[CollSloan]

Hey Louie,

No need to feel silly at all. The way it was written could have meant anything at all!

Just a few more bits to add now. I found her son, Thomas' death record with both parent's names and Grace's unusual surname again! On her birth record, it is 'Nittles' though. She must have decided to change it later on.

Colleen

[CollSloan]

Robert & Ann's daughter, Marion b. 1829, might have been named after a grandmother Mary.
Could this be the James Sloan (dad's) household in 1841?  On Free Cen -

Piece: SCT1841/821 Place: Dumfries -Dumfries-shire Enumeration District: 4
Civil Parish: Dumfries Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 27 Page: 1
Address: Auchencrieff Bank

SLOAN       James       M       60       Joiner        Dumfries-shire           
SLOAN       Mary       F       60                               Dumfries-shire           
SLOAN       Margaret       F       35                       Dumfries-shire           
SLOAN       John       M       30       Joiner Journeyman    Dumfries-shire           
SLOAN       David       M       25       Coachmaker Journeyman Dumfries-shire           
SLOAN       Janet       F       25                                Dumfries-shire           
SLOAN       Agnes       F       20                        Dumfries-shire           
THOMSON       Mary       F       7                                Dumfries-shire           
MCNEIL       David       M       15       Joiner Apprentice     Dumfries-shire

James might have been a joiner first and a shepherd later in life? 
It puts his birth abt. 1781, which seems about right if son Robert was born abt. 1801. 
Robert (if he's the eldest son) is not in this household because he might have been married by this time / living elsewhere (children with Ann Cleland are born in the 1820s/early 30s). 

What was Robert's occupation?  I can see Agricultural Labourer on the second line after his name on the dc, but what's on the first line?  ****** Journeyman? 

So does Mary = "Grace"?  (Perhaps a middle name?)

On FS, I can see a James Sloan spouse of a Mary RYCROFT in Dumfriesshire, and another one, spouse of a Mary NITHERS - parents of a David Sloane (b. 1806).  But neither of those surnames looks anything like the mother's MS on your Robert's death reg.  Problematic.  Unless James Sloan married twice? 

A death cert for James Sloan (deceased prior to 1864) might confirm his wife/-ves. 

Added:
On second thoughts, looking at Robert's dc again, could the mother's MS be McNITERS / McNithers / Nithers?!!

Hi,

I think it could be a brother of his maybe. His mother was born in 1765 so I'm guessing the father, James was born around that time too. Thanks for your help with the surname, I don't know how you figured it out but you were spot on with it

Theres no sign of a death, birth or marriage for James that I can see but I've added the records I've found with Grace listed in them.

I've always thought that Robert's occupation on the cert. was 'Pauper formally agricultural labourer' or something along those lines. I hope I'm wrong though!

Colleen

[loobylooayr]

Good that you have found it in the end.
Who would have thought it said Nitters! or Nittles.
Well done to the sharp eyes who spotted that one.
Looby

[cerip23]

It looks like Grace Sloan MS McItens