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Re: Deciphering 1864 Scottish death record.
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 02 July 13 18:52 BST (UK) »
Could be, I'd be surprised if the first three letters weren't McI, welcome other opinions.

There could be a lazy / missing letter after the "I", then it all goes downhill...

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Re: Deciphering 1864 Scottish death record.
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 02 July 13 20:10 BST (UK) »
"Any handwriting issues [I don't think this certificate is particularly bad] are dwarfed by the recurring problems created by the low resolution scanning of these Scottish documents in the first place."

And the poster has several ways of using Scotland's People page to change the resolution to get a better image.

Bottom left, Gold button with Black cross, "Change Enhance Mode"
Bottom Right, "Sun" symbol, to change contrast.

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Re: Deciphering 1864 Scottish death record.
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 15 August 13 23:29 BST (UK) »
Hi Colleen

Robert's birth or marriage OPRs might clarify his mother's name. 

Robert's place of death is Moniaive, Dumfriesshire.  The Dumfriesshire censuses will indicate where he was born.  I can see a Robert Sloan on the 1861 census, aged 60, living in the Parish of Glencairn, Dumfriesshire, born Kirkcudbrightshire.  I think it's the same Robert on the 1841 census, aged 40, but his birthplace is given as Dumfriesshire there. 
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VBQ1-ZRS
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VYD9-RFR

Is it possible Robert was his middle name and he was baptised under a different name?  Or, did he have a brother called William?  On SP births there's a William Sloan, son of James Sloan and EUNICE MOORE, born in Kirkcudbrightshire, July 1799.    ???

On FS, I can see various christenings of children of Robert Sloan & Ann Clelland - Samuel (1825), Marion (1829), and James (1831) - all born at Moniaive.  So his marriage was probably after 1819 (aged 18+) and before 1826.  There are various Ann Cleland marriages on SP for that period, but none to a Sloan.  Is it possible Ann married before, was widowed, and then remarried Robert under a different name? 

Failing that, did your Robert have any known siblings (e.g. witnesses at any of his children's births or marriages)?  The siblings' BMDs might have clearer details of the mother's name. 
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Re: Deciphering 1864 Scottish death record.
« Reply #12 on: Friday 16 August 13 11:57 BST (UK) »
Robert & Ann's daughter, Marion b. 1829, might have been named after a grandmother Mary.
Could this be the James Sloan (dad's) household in 1841?  On Free Cen -

Piece: SCT1841/821 Place: Dumfries -Dumfries-shire Enumeration District: 4
Civil Parish: Dumfries Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 27 Page: 1
Address: Auchencrieff Bank

SLOAN       James       M       60       Joiner        Dumfries-shire           
SLOAN       Mary       F       60                               Dumfries-shire           
SLOAN       Margaret       F       35                       Dumfries-shire           
SLOAN       John       M       30       Joiner Journeyman    Dumfries-shire           
SLOAN       David       M       25       Coachmaker Journeyman Dumfries-shire           
SLOAN       Janet       F       25                                Dumfries-shire           
SLOAN       Agnes       F       20                        Dumfries-shire           
THOMSON       Mary       F       7                                Dumfries-shire           
MCNEIL       David       M       15       Joiner Apprentice     Dumfries-shire

James might have been a joiner first and a shepherd later in life? 
It puts his birth abt. 1781, which seems about right if son Robert was born abt. 1801. 
Robert (if he's the eldest son) is not in this household because he might have been married by this time / living elsewhere (children with Ann Cleland are born in the 1820s/early 30s). 

What was Robert's occupation?  I can see Agricultural Labourer on the second line after his name on the dc, but what's on the first line?  ****** Journeyman? 

So does Mary = "Grace"?  (Perhaps a middle name?)

On FS, I can see a James Sloan spouse of a Mary RYCROFT in Dumfriesshire, and another one, spouse of a Mary NITHERS - parents of a David Sloane (b. 1806).  But neither of those surnames looks anything like the mother's MS on your Robert's death reg.  Problematic.  Unless James Sloan married twice? 

A death cert for James Sloan (deceased prior to 1864) might confirm his wife/-ves. 

Added:
On second thoughts, looking at Robert's dc again, could the mother's MS be McNITERS / McNithers / Nithers?!!
   


   

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Re: Deciphering 1864 Scottish death record.
« Reply #13 on: Friday 16 August 13 13:12 BST (UK) »
Now strongly leaning towards McNiter or Macniter.  Variant of Macnidder, MacNider, etc. 
From Nithsdale in the valley of the river Nith (Gaelic: Stranit/Strathnith/Strathnid), in Dumfriesshire.
The Earls of Nithsdale held Caerlaverock Castle in Dumfriesshire.   
The McNiters (and all variant names thereof) are associated with the Clan Macfarlane. 

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Re: Deciphering 1864 Scottish death record.
« Reply #14 on: Friday 16 August 13 14:52 BST (UK) »
I wonder if Grace's name McIter/ McIteer is from Ireland.

Also I've come across the name Grace recorded as Grizzel/Grisel.

Looby :)
Added. What about the surname Mctier. There were Mctier's in the 1700's early 1800's in South West Scotland.

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Re: Deciphering 1864 Scottish death record.
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 18 August 13 17:27 BST (UK) »
Looks like could also be McItire? I have a number of strange Scottish names where I think the 'r' looks very like an 'n'. The letter at the end that looks like an 's' could also be an 'e'.

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Re: Deciphering 1864 Scottish death record.
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 25 August 13 04:56 BST (UK) »
Could it be Martins with a tiny little a. I think there was rather a lot of them in that area.

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Re: Deciphering 1864 Scottish death record.
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 25 August 13 11:39 BST (UK) »
Welcome to RootsChat, Louie!   ;D
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"I force nae freen" - I force no friend and fear no foe