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Discrepancies between Parish Register and Bishop’s Transcript
« on: Monday 01 July 13 00:59 BST (UK) »
Hi All – I am hoping someone can resolve an apparent discrepancy between the Gainford Parish Records and Bishop’s Transcripts for the same records.

According to Elliot Stock’s 1889 transcription / index of the Gainford Parish Registers “Index to the First Volume of the Parish Registers of Gainford, in the County of Durham: Part 1 Baptisms, 1560-1784”, pg 30, there is a “Clark (Clerk), Jane, d. John, Cletlam, 17 Dec., 1780.” (link to Google Book where I found the information: http://books.google.com/books?id=c_oVAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q=%22clark%20(clerk)%2C%20Jane&f=false ).

However, when I looked up the same information in the Gainford Bishop’s Transcripts on FamilySearch, the entry is NOT there (however the preceding name from Stock’s index, “Clark(e), William, s. John, Langton, 16 Dec., 1780.” is listed both in the image from FamilySearch (Link to FamilySearch image:  https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11882-114425-77?cc=1309819&wc=MMRX-Y4G:n1407643015 ). Nor is it on the following page (since the William entry is on the bottom of the page of baptisms: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11882-114585-34?cc=1309819&wc=MMRX-Y4G:n1407643015 ).

Is it possible that an entry (Jane Clark) is in the Parish Register, but not in the Bishop’s Transcript? Or did Elliot Stock make an error in his work transcribing the parish registers? Any clarification one way or the other would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Chico -
CLARK - Bridge End, Startforth, North Riding, Yorkshire & Barnard Castle, Durham
+ TODD nee SIMMONETTI - Richmond, Leyburn North Riding, Yorkshire
 |== CLARK (Smith) - Lartington, North Riding Yorkshire
    |== (Smith nee Clark) GARBUTT - Thornley, Durham
    |== CLARK (Kime) - Guisborough, North Riding Yorkshire
 |== (Clark) COLLEDGE - W. Hartlepool, Durham

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Re: Discrepancies between Parish Register and Bishop’s Transcript
« Reply #1 on: Monday 01 July 13 09:00 BST (UK) »
Given that both are transcribed from the original document it is entirely possible that there are errors in one or both and the only way to resolve it completely is to check the original document itself.

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Re: Discrepancies between Parish Register and Bishop’s Transcript
« Reply #2 on: Monday 01 July 13 09:14 BST (UK) »
Given that both are transcribed from the original document it is entirely possible that there are errors in one or both and the only way to resolve it completely is to check the original document itself.
I learned that lesson the hard way having spent months searching Houghton le Spring records for someone.    When I eventually looked at the original register rather than the BT I could see that the transcriber had muddled two entries and the one I wanted was Chester le Street!

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Re: Discrepancies between Parish Register and Bishop’s Transcript
« Reply #3 on: Monday 01 July 13 10:36 BST (UK) »
You always have to bear in mind that there can be errors on any written document - even the original. I have the record from a parish register for the funeral of my father in 1969. It was written at the time by the priest who performed the service. It has a date that is a week 'before' Dad died :-), which is a tad previous but really would have made him smile.

When the Bishops Transcript was made by the vicar/parish clerk by copying from the original, mistakes could and did creep in.

Best we can do is check as many different versions available and then draw a conclusion based on the info as its presented.

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Re: Discrepancies between Parish Register and Bishop’s Transcript
« Reply #4 on: Monday 01 July 13 11:27 BST (UK) »
This is why genealogists need to be aware of what they are actually viewing.

For instance if one views a transcript of a parish register one is viewing a second copy of the original.
The information being first recorded in a day book and copied to the register once a week.
Assuming the original contained the correct information still allows for two instances of errors to be made.

A transcript of a Bishop's transcript is a copy of a copy of another copy of the original day book. In other words three instances where errors could occur (assume correct information in the day book.

All transcripts should simply be used as finding aids rather than evidence.
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Re: Discrepancies between Parish Register and Bishop’s Transcript
« Reply #5 on: Monday 01 July 13 13:53 BST (UK) »
Guy's main point is correct, but I think he's a bit prescriptive about the number of copies:

For instance if one views a transcript of a parish register one is viewing a second copy of the original.
The information being first recorded in a day book and copied to the register once a week.
Assuming the original contained the correct information still allows for two instances of errors to be made.

A transcript of a Bishop's transcript is a copy of a copy of another copy of the original day book. In other words three instances where errors could occur (assume correct information in the day book.

In some parishes there clearly were day books, because they have survived, but at this distance it's not always possible to tell whether the Bishop's transcript was copied from the register or if that too was from the day book.

Where no day book survives, I don't think we can be certain that there ever was one - and in a small parish with only a handful of CMBs each year I think it's rather unlikely. It's also not certain that the Bishop's transcripts were always copied from the register. In one place I came across I'm pretty sure it was the other way round, with the BT as the first version, written up at the time of the events on loose pages, and the register as a copy of that, since a whole year had been written up very neatly in the same hand and with exactly the same pen and ink etc. (Typically I can't now remember where that was  :-[)

As to the original question of what can be inferred from a discrepancy between the register and the BT, there are a few possibilities, such as:
(a) the extra entry was omitted by mistake in copying from one to the other (or from a day book)
(b) the first version omitted the entry by mistake, but this was realised and corrected in a later one
(c) the version with the extra entry was written up before the event, but for some reason it didn't take place, so the version with the omission is correct
... and probably a few more.

At this distance you can often only make a best guess as to the reason, but looking at the originals is always going to help. There may be clues in the handwriting, or in BTs, a note above the signatures saying what was copied from what.

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Re: Discrepancies between Parish Register and Bishop’s Transcript
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 03 July 13 03:52 BST (UK) »
Thank you everyone for your input and observations. I guess I will have to find a way to view the original parish records. If anybody has any suggestions on that front, it would be appreciated as I'm not based in the UK (Note: I would love to go a visit in person, but budget is a consideration). Thanks.  :) 

Chico -
CLARK - Bridge End, Startforth, North Riding, Yorkshire & Barnard Castle, Durham
+ TODD nee SIMMONETTI - Richmond, Leyburn North Riding, Yorkshire
 |== CLARK (Smith) - Lartington, North Riding Yorkshire
    |== (Smith nee Clark) GARBUTT - Thornley, Durham
    |== CLARK (Kime) - Guisborough, North Riding Yorkshire
 |== (Clark) COLLEDGE - W. Hartlepool, Durham

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Re: Discrepancies between Parish Register and Bishop’s Transcript
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 03 July 13 09:49 BST (UK) »
You can get copies of parish register entries from Durham County Record Office - see http://www.durhamrecordoffice.org.uk/pages/Copyingservice.aspx for full details, and elsewhere on the site there is information on the many useful sources they hold.

Alternatively, though it appears to offer transcripts rather than images, have a look at Durham Records Online - http://www.durhamrecordsonline.com/index.php  I don't know whose transcripts they use, but if it was by a different pair of eyes, you might find something useful.

Arthur

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Re: Discrepancies between Parish Register and Bishop’s Transcript
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 03 July 13 23:47 BST (UK) »
Durham records online transcribe records themselves from parish registers and bishop's transcripts.  According to their site the records they have for Gainford as mainly from the BT's.

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Jay