Shipping transit times

[seaweed]

GANGES from Sydney NSW, Captain Blanchard, off Falmouth 18/3/1849 arrived London 30/3/1849
SERINGAPATAM from Sydney NSW, off Swanage 3/4/1849 arrived London 7/4/1849
SIR EDWARD PAGET from Sydney Captain Barkley, off deal 26/4/1849 arrived Gravesend 27/4/1849
BRIGHTMAN from Sydney NSW off Kingsbridge 26/4/1849 arrived London 1/5/1849
ARIGICOLA  arrived Gravesend 27/4/1849
KELSO from Sydney at Gravesend 28/4/1849
CHEAPSIDE Captain Lewis from Sydney off Plymouth 11/5/1849
Could find nothing on EARL GREY or WOODLARK

[Jaznjjj]

I discovered that the Brightman, Sir Edward Paget, Kelso, Cheapside, Agricola, Earl Grey and Woodlark left Sydney in December - so too late to reach the U.K. in time for the family to be on board the Childe Harold on 17th/19th February.  The Ganges and the Seringapatam also arrived UK past that boarding date - their transit times being respectively 142 and 135 days - so not as fast as the advertisements would suggest. 

Back to the drawing board! 

Alternatives:   

While Richard Bruce was discharged from his regiment on 31st October - could he in fact have left the colony before the date of discharge?   I need to get back to the National Archives, Canberra to check his payroll details for the end of his service with the 11th Regiment.  Won't happen quickly. 

The family left from a port other than Sydney which means factoring in extra travel time. 

Both.



Thank you all.  J

[Jaznjjj]

I didn't mean a sad face to go in at the end.  It was supposed to be three question marks.  J

[Malcolm33]

   It would depend on how many distress signals they responded to on the voyage.    In May 1844 the Ganges from Portsmouth to Sydney went to the aid of the barque Rebecca which was flying distress signals in Bass's Straits.   When they got near enough they saw two boards with the messages 'No Chart', "No Compass", "No Provisions" and 'Blown off King's Island'.

[Jaznjjj]

Right!  (and thank you)  A ship's log could be informative. 

[majm]

Sth Australian Register 5 June 1849 has the arrival on 2 June 1849 of South Australia of a Richard Bruce, wife and two children on the barque Childe Harold, 463 tones, (J.S. BYERS) FROM London and Plymouth.   
 
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/71623860


Here’s mention of some 189 rank and file of the 11th regiment along with 17 women and 24 children coming to Sydney from Hobart arriving July 21 1848…  on the Sir Edward Paget,  (Captain Barclay) a barque, 482 tons.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/12908717     SMH 22 JULY 1848 

Here’s 77 rank and file of the 11th Regiment, 14 women, 14 female children 6 male children on the Freak under Williamson for Sydney departing Sth Aust on 13 Oct 1848
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/71612688     Sth Australian 17 Oct 1848

There’s quite a few mentions of the “11th regiment” (as a keyword search option) coming from various colonies into Sydney throughout 1848 in the digitised newspapers at TROVE.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/

I realise it is the outward bound from Sydney that you are looking for.  Have you lots of patience for armchair searching through pdf files that are not keyword searchable?  If so,  try the following website (pre trove) http://www.nla.gov.au/ferg/about/index.html  as it covers newspapers from around 1840 to 1850 (the title suggests otherwise, but there is shipping newspapers into late 1850)


Cheers,  JM

[Billyblue]

Right!  (and thank you)  A ship's log could be informative. 

There are 3 volumes of "Log of Logs" you may need to consult.  These were compiled by Ian Nicholson (since died) of all references to logs etc of ships connected with Australia & NZ, and where to find them.  You may need to look in all 3 vols as information was added as he discovered it, so some ships get mentioned in more than one volume.

but of course first of all you need to know the name of your ship.      

Dawn M

[majm]

http://www.nla.gov.au/ferg/issn/14403897.html

This should give you the link directly to "The Shipping gazette and general trade list" at the ferguson papers site.

It definitely has all of the 1848 issues available, and the shipping in and out of Sydney and names of passengers....  fingers crossed for you that you find your family outward bound in that newspaper.

Cheers,  JM

[Jaznjjj]

Yes, patience is a virtue - or so I'm told.  Sometimes the only way to sort things is the long hard grind.  I have notes on some of the movements of the Regiment - which was often split and sent to different areas.  I also noted in my Trove search a small group from the regiment travelling to Moreton Bay (SMH 8/11/1848).  "Ensign Cameron, twenty-five steerage passengers and thirty-five rank and file of the 11th regiment, with seven women and eighteen children".  This is worth my while following up I think if perhaps they travelled to the UK from a port other than Sydney.  Richard Bruce would have been discharged (no longer a soldier) at that date.  Not listed as a passenger on that journey - steamer "Tamar" but could have travelled steerage, or been thought of as a defacto member of the regiment.  More homework to be done - ships from Moreton Bay to UK.   

Away from the computer until tomorrow but on a bit of a roll at the moment so interested in any and all input.  Also experiencing synergy with several other researchers who are descendants of this family and with whom I am sharing your input - the ether is running hot! 

Will follow up the references in your posts when I can. 

Mucho thanku, J