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Re: Which LONDON PRISON for my naughty ancestor ????
« Reply #9 on: Friday 28 June 13 20:56 BST (UK) »
You may also have to take in the possibility that he term was served in a prison outside of London.

Rather like today you can be sent all over the country.

And in those days I would imagine that it was far more common, just to make life horrible for the prisoner and his family.

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Longhurst-Ealing & Capel, Abinger, Ewhurst & Ockley,
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Re: Which LONDON PRISON for my naughty ancestor ????
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 30 June 13 21:03 BST (UK) »
Hi

[ Sorry for being a little late for this answer ]

Anc...ytr has the detail for the crime records.

Shout if you cannot find.

Ray


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Re: Which LONDON PRISON for my naughty ancestor ????
« Reply #12 on: Monday 08 July 13 15:41 BST (UK) »
Thanks Ray, I'm no longer a member of An....ry, I spent quite a few quid over time but hardly found anything for my family so I left !!

Julie
ANDREWS, BROOK(S), CHERRYMAN, CORNFORD, COLEMAN, CUMPER, FISHER,
HARRINGTON, HAYLER, HOUGH, HUTTON, JUPP, KENSETT, ILLMAN, KITE, STOPES,
SPYER, LAKER, MASON, NICHOLSON, ROBERTS, FOX, RODWELL, WRIGHT, LOCKARD,
LONE, SAY, SAYERS, SCOTT, STREETER, THOMAS, KAYES, TREADWELL, USHERWOOD,
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Re: Which LONDON PRISON for my naughty ancestor ????
« Reply #13 on: Monday 08 July 13 15:43 BST (UK) »
Dawn - thanks for that info. page, I'll have a look.
ANDREWS, BROOK(S), CHERRYMAN, CORNFORD, COLEMAN, CUMPER, FISHER,
HARRINGTON, HAYLER, HOUGH, HUTTON, JUPP, KENSETT, ILLMAN, KITE, STOPES,
SPYER, LAKER, MASON, NICHOLSON, ROBERTS, FOX, RODWELL, WRIGHT, LOCKARD,
LONE, SAY, SAYERS, SCOTT, STREETER, THOMAS, KAYES, TREADWELL, USHERWOOD,
CHANDLER, VAUGHAN, WELLER, WELLS, WOOD, SAUNDERS, WREN, HAYWARD, CLEAR

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Re: Which LONDON PRISON for my naughty ancestor ????
« Reply #14 on: Monday 08 July 13 17:28 BST (UK) »
Hi

Picked a few from the list of "Henry Scott" cases (they are needn't be ALL him?)

Clerkenwell 1870 12 September
Embezzlement
6 months

Clerkenwell 1875 10 May
Larceny & receiving
10 months

Clerkenwell 1875 18 October
Larceny & receiving
18 months

Old Bailey 12 Dec 1878
Attempted Burglary and former conviction
6 calendar months

THEN, a really interesting one
Nottinghamshire 20 October 1886
George Frederick Hamilton "alias Henry Scott"
Larceny Simple
Prior conviction proved
12 calendar months (imprisonment column)
3 years hard labour (under police supervision column)


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Re: Which LONDON PRISON for my naughty ancestor ????
« Reply #15 on: Monday 08 July 13 22:19 BST (UK) »
Ray, thank-you very much for that info.

The 18th Oct. 1875 is certainly him and as for the bottom entry - well how exciting would that be ?!!

His wife remarried in 1878 and described herself as a 'widow' and there is a death entry in 1876 that seems very possible.

I'll have to take a gamble and pay the fee to get that copy death certificate I think - then I'll know for sure.

Kind regards and thanks again.

Julie
ANDREWS, BROOK(S), CHERRYMAN, CORNFORD, COLEMAN, CUMPER, FISHER,
HARRINGTON, HAYLER, HOUGH, HUTTON, JUPP, KENSETT, ILLMAN, KITE, STOPES,
SPYER, LAKER, MASON, NICHOLSON, ROBERTS, FOX, RODWELL, WRIGHT, LOCKARD,
LONE, SAY, SAYERS, SCOTT, STREETER, THOMAS, KAYES, TREADWELL, USHERWOOD,
CHANDLER, VAUGHAN, WELLER, WELLS, WOOD, SAUNDERS, WREN, HAYWARD, CLEAR

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Re: Which LONDON PRISON for my naughty ancestor ????
« Reply #16 on: Monday 08 July 13 22:30 BST (UK) »
Don't think 1886 is him

Free British Newspaper Archive search brings up

21 October 1886 ,  Nottingham Evening Post

"... Hamilton, alias Henry Scott, aged 19, engraver,  pleaded guilty to stealing two silver Geneva watches, of the value of £3,.."

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Re: Which LONDON PRISON for my naughty ancestor ????
« Reply #17 on: Monday 08 July 13 22:46 BST (UK) »
That's interesting Mabel, thankyou. The age is way off so that's definitely not him then !

I'm sure he died in 1876 so I'll order that certificate to hopefully sort it all out.

Julie
ANDREWS, BROOK(S), CHERRYMAN, CORNFORD, COLEMAN, CUMPER, FISHER,
HARRINGTON, HAYLER, HOUGH, HUTTON, JUPP, KENSETT, ILLMAN, KITE, STOPES,
SPYER, LAKER, MASON, NICHOLSON, ROBERTS, FOX, RODWELL, WRIGHT, LOCKARD,
LONE, SAY, SAYERS, SCOTT, STREETER, THOMAS, KAYES, TREADWELL, USHERWOOD,
CHANDLER, VAUGHAN, WELLER, WELLS, WOOD, SAUNDERS, WREN, HAYWARD, CLEAR