Alice and Carnation Buckley

[Ellaosaurus]

Hello,

 So for a few months now me and my mum have been researching our family History, we come from a man called Elias Smith and we believe him to be the son of Alice and Carnation Smith. Alice was Woodlocks sister and his brothers were Bartholemew and Cornelius. We know a lot about the three brothers but very little about Alice and Carnation (Ganation, Nathan, John) Buckley, Any info about them would be amazing, thankyou

[Lostris]

Can you clarify who 'Woodlock' is and how he fits or is needed in the research?

So is 'Buckley', Alice's maiden name ?
and is Elias you Grandfather or your Mum's Grandfather or even further back ?

and what is the timeframe please?

[Ellaosaurus]

Woodlock isn't really relevant to my research I just thought I would mention that he was Married to Carnations sister Justinia, what I would like to know is Do Alice (her maiden name is Smith) and Carnation Buckley have a son called Elias, my great great granddad. Thankyou

[Ellaosaurus]

Also the timeframe is the 1800's, they were travelling gypsys around Essex if that's any help

[Lostris]

ah, you said Carnation Smith earlier .... nevermind, I'll have a look in the '1800s'  ...

This marriage would give you info (or should do) about Carnation & Alice fathers & occupations ...


Marriages Jun 1873 

Buckley  Carnation    Rochford  4a 282   
Smith  Alice     Rochford  4a 282

[Lostris]

As travellers, its a bit hit & miss if they were picked up on a 19th C census - and despite the pairing and knowledge of a son Elias I cant see them in 1881/91/01 etc


They seemed to be in the Rochford area at times ... so Carnation was born c1840 (if the Informant of the death was correct)


Deaths Mar 1916   

Buckley  Carnation  Age @ Death 76  Rochford  4a 753

[Lostris]

Did Alice have a daur Florence ? (would be Elias sister) born Upton Park c1881.

I ask as an Alice Buckley is in the early 1900s census in Leigh on Sea (Rochford Dist), Mother in Law in the Chignell family - so Florence is her daur...

William Chignell 29 Head born Essex, a Marine Store Dealer
Florence Chignell 30 Wife Upton Park
Lavenia Chignell 5 daur
Abby Chignell 3 daur
Archie Chignell 1 son
Alice Buckley 72 MARRIED (living apart from Husband) a PEDLAR born Cambs, Soham
Ada Williams 13 Granddaur?
Johney Williams 10 Grandson?

[Lostris]

Yep, that seems to be her - followed them back via the daughter Florence to 1891, where they are transcribed as MUCKLEY ...

Somebody has left a note against this census entry:-

My great great great uncle was actually called Carnation Buckley not John Muckley .

Submitted by  kevinscarrott on 28/09/2006

In West Tilbury in 'Fort Road Caravan Encampment' - Carnation is aka John ..

RG12/ Piece 1379 Folio 71 Page 16


John Muckley 52 HEAD a Tinman & Cutler born Essex, Brentwood
Alice Muckley 51 WIFE born Beds, Luton (strange how people change around so much!)
Elias Muckley 22 Tinman / Cutler born Essex Southend
Agnes Muckley 16 daur ditto
Matilda Muckley 14 daur born Essex, Upton Park
Florence Muckley 12 daur ditto
Prudence Muckley 16 daur ditto

The next census entry is another Traveller family - Arthur & Adeline Smith - Southend/Rochford.

[Lostris]

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