Govan - East Drumoyne Cottage (1901) & Drumoyne House (1918)

[Rosinish]

Hi,

I have 2 addresses which I would like some information on & photo's if possible please, if anyone can help as I can't find anything by the "Go ogling" site 

1. East Drumoyne Cottage taken from 1901 census. Tenant was a Boat builder & Joiner.

2. 1918 - Drumoyne House, Drumoyne Road, Govan. The description "House" gives reason to believe it was a detached property but I am curious as to it's purpose as it sounds kind of "upper class"?
The address was taken from a marriage cert. & the male was a Small boat builder/Journeyman but this would be his parent's abode and his father too was a Small boat builder.

Regards,

Annie.

[ayrgenes]

Hi Annie

you could try the 'virtual mitchell' website. It has a couple of old photos of Drumoyne.

D

[RJ_Paton]

At the time in question Drumoyne was pretty much still mainly open farm and Common land. The 1909 map shows some building  along Craigton Road with Drumoyne Road being mainly industrial saw mills. The map also shows what may have been farms or farmhouse at one time Drumoyne and Mid-Drumoyne. The 1901 directory gives mid Drumoyne as the home address of a notary so it is possible that the building marked as Drumoyne could be your Drumoyne House.

Another possibility is that Drumoyne House was a larger Villa type building which was subdivided into smaller flats as was the fate of many larger dwellings throughout Glasgow the surrounding area when Govan's focus was changed following its annexation by Glasgow in 1912. While it must also be kept in mind the possibility of the people involved "poshing" up their address.

Sadly Drumoyne House does not feature in the "top 100 residences of the men of Glasgow" nor does it merit a listing in the book Historical Govan and the virtual Mitchell images are of a later date.

[RJ_Paton]

If you go to the National Library of Scotland website
and check the 1912 plan of Glasgow  http://maps.nls.uk/atlas/bartholomew/view/?id=1206

The building marked as Drumoyne is still there although Mid Drumoyne has gone and there is no indication of an East Drumoyne Cottage

[Rosinish]

Hi Falkyrn & Ayrgenes,

Thanks for info. & links. Helping a friend so trying to get the feel of things as I'm hopeless with geography 

Annie.

[Ally D]

Don't know if this will help or not. There was an East Drumoyne farm. The land was sold off for Drumoyne housing estate but the farmhouse itself still stood on the corner of Drumoyne Rd and Aberlady Rd until the 1980's. Maybe later, not sure when it was demolished. This may have been known as East Drumoyne Cottage after it stopped being a farm.

My granny was brought up on one of the Drumoyne farms, we think it was Mid Drumoyne farm which was in Pirie Park, just behind Drumoyne primary school. Nothing left now except the trees that were the surrounding wind break and a hedge at the bottom of the park that lined the access road.

Not sure about Drumoyne house. Drumoyne Rd used to be a rail siding to a coal pit. When the pit shut, the siding was reduced to serve the small industrial estate on the south side of Shieldhall Rd. There was an estate/house called Melville Park on Drumoyne Rd. Long gone, don't know if it may have been this. I have also seen a picture in the Mitchell library of some big fancy houses with the address give as Drumoyne Rd. Not 100% sure this is accurate as I have looked at old maps and can't tie in these buildings with what's shown on the maps. They may only have existed for a short time but, as I say, not confident the info on the photo is correct.

[Ally D]

Ok, I really should have had a look at the maps again before I posted.

Three Drumoyne farms. West, Mid and East. Looking at older maps, both West and East are called just Drumoyne at some point. Mid is previously called Drumoyne cottage. It may all have been the one complex at one time as they are all close together.

At some point after the railway siding gets put in, it looks as if the eastern most farm, called Drumoyne at this point, moves to the east side of the railway onto the corner of Drumoyne Rd and Aberlady Rd. (This is before Aberlady Rd exists). The other two farms have become West Drumoyne and Mid Drumoyne.

Drumoyne farm, also know as East Drumoyne, was on Drumoyne Rd/Aberlady Rd, diagonally opposite Drumoyne bowling club. Both addresses you're looking for could be the same building. I used to pass this house every day going to school. A large red brick building which was different to all the other houses in the surrounding streets.

I haven't found any photgraphs but if I do then I will let you know. I've been looking for Mid Drumoyne and have only found aerial shots from Britain from Above in the 1920's where the focus has been on something else and I can just make out buildings in the trees. I haven't looked at anything more recent as Mid Drumoyne was gone shortly after that. You might have more luck with East Drumoyne.

[Rosinish]

Hi All,

I'm looking at info. in front of me so I can put the naming pattern in order of dates to try & establish if they are all the same building & just incase anything else transpires the surname is MacLeod.

1890 - Drumoyne Farm (Indicates one of different buildings with no actual numbers or names OR one building)?

1901 - East Drumoyne Cottage (Cottage to me is one storey on ground level)?

1918 - Drumoyne House - House & Cottage?  (To me that is 2 distinct different buildings)? 

I have an open mind that it may well be one building, moving with the times, starting off as Farm, introducing Cottage then possibly extending? thus becoming House?

It seems silly to be bothered about but the fact is I would like to be able to state on a photo which of the 3 above it is whether same or different.

I'm not bothered if they are different, I would just like a photo with the accompanying name 

Thanks for taking the trouble to try and eliminate, verify or otherwise as it is nice to see what places looked like. If they would only leave names as they were instead of changing them 

Regards,

Annie.

[Ally D]

Annie

this is the link for the maps I was using. Move left using the arrows to centre on Drumoyne Rd and then use the map options on the right hand side. Shows the changes over the years.

 http://www.old-maps.co.uk/maps.html?txtXCoord=255300&txtYCoord=665600

As far as I can see the only thing with an address on Drumoyne Rd that would fit is Drumoyne farm, especially after it shifted. Known locally as East Drumoyne. More than one building, there may have been a cottage(s) included. The farmhouse I knew in the 70's and 80's was two storeys in these days. Stood on its own and was considerably larger than the other houses that were semi's, terraced and four in a blocks.

I've attached a photo (1928) that shows it (just and not very well). Plus a zoom in that loses it's sharpness. In the zoom find the bowling green near the top left. Just to the right, diagonally across the junction is the farmhouse. Darker colour than the other houses, it was red, they were white or cream. Mid Drumoyne is directly above the junction, in the trees behind the houses. The square horseshoe building is the old High School annexe.

Sorry it's such a poor photo, as I say it's Mid Drumoyne I was looking for and it was gone a few years later, so this is the best I've found. Haven't found any named photos of any of the farms, cottages, etc.