Ford & Yew Tree Cemetery Records

[ozranga]

Hi Beverley
Thomas Sinnott d 1910 AD76 public grave.

Ford AL 86 private
deedholder Elizabeth O'Brien . H'stone & vase 206 4 only 57 Taliesin St L5.
John Henry O'Brien d 57 Taliesin St L5 age 63 interred 6/8/1965
Elizabeth O'Brien  d 3 Epsom St L5 age 75 int 6/1/1983
Laurence Clarke d 7A Burnett ST L5 age 81 int 16/3/1967
Elizabeth Clarke d 67 Latimer Dt L5 age 86 int 11/1/1975

Ford C191private
Patrick Sinnott d Walton Workhouse L9 age 77 int 25/9/1900
Mary Sinnott 23 Luther St A76 int 20/1/1904
Elizabeth Green d Boundary Street 2 court 2 house age 58 int 12/1/1902
Laurence Deveraux d 1`1 Ashfield St age 42 int 4/2/1908
Mary Deveraux (deedholder) d 111 Ashfield St age 59 int 10/5/1921.

I am more than happy to assist, but if the cemetery sections (BZ, SV, SJ C etc)  could be included with the grave number in the query this would help a lot.

Marienne

[BlueSaphire]

Hi Marienne,

Thank you so much for looking up all the “Sinnott/Clarke” connections for me – very much appreciated. Wish you could have found Bridget (Sinnot) Clarke for me. My father’s middle name is “Sinnott”! I guess Bridget possibly remarried or moved. We have no family stories about her.

I also have not been able to find our grandmother, Annie Clarke, Bridget’s oldest daughter, in the 1901 Census. Annie Clarke had a son in Huddersfield, Yorkshire in 1906 and is not married to the father, Philip Wigglesworth Graham, until 1909. Bridget (Sinnott) Clarke is a widow in 1900. Bridget’s only living son, Laurence Clarke age 15, is living with his grandmother, Mary Sinnott, in 1901 and is married in 1907 and Bridget’s youngest daughter, Johanna is married in 1913 and in 1901, at age 13, a Domestic Servant for Fraser family at 36 Maguire Street. Grandmother Mary Sinnott and family are living at 50 Maguire Street in 1901. I had hoped you would find other family for me in the C 191 plot at Ford Cemetery.

Unfortunately, I have been unable to figure out how this Sinnott family in C 191 might connect. They are the wrong Mary and Patrick Sinnott. Thanks for finding that information. It made me look further and recheck records that led me to find my Mary Sinnott, age 86, still living in the 1911 Census with 3 grandchildren at 36 Bond Street. I missed that until now. It does not easily come up at Ancestry. Now looking for a death after 1911. She is not the Mary Sinnott who died in 1904 and interred in C 191.

Mary’s son, Patrick, died in 1928 – same address - 36 Bond Street. His spouse Mary Ann (Kirkpatrick) Sinnott b. 1870 is interred 23 March 1939 in Ford Cemetery. I think H # 3283 – a few above her have H.

Could you please check if anyone is possibly interred with her in H 3283.

You found Mary Ann (Kirkpatrick) Sinnott’s spouse, Patrick Sinnott , in Public Grave SV 648.
 
Found another possibility in Ford Cemetery for Mary A Sinnott: no age or birth date given and living on what looks to be 35 Harris Street, Litherland (north of Liverpool)
interment Ford Cemetery 28 November or 12 December 1919  RD1369 (same number) different dates in records for interment.
   
In 1919 my Mary would be 93! With all the family that is interred in Ford Cemetery in Liverpool – that is the most likely place for her interment.

Best regards,
Beverly

[BlueSaphire]

Hi,
Sorry to have not known exactly  how the numbering and letter area for Ford Cemetery works.

I'm a little more knowledgeable now.  What if the Letters are not at the top of the page for Public?

Laurence Patrick Clarke b. about 1858 Dublin, Ireland died December 1900 and is possibly buried 16 December 1900 Ford Cemetery. There are no letters at the top of the page. Wondering how you know or figure out # 3004 is BZ?

Mary Ann (Kirkpatrick) Sinnott in previous post died 23 March 1939 # 3283  no letters in front nor at top of page.

I sincerely appreciate your help in trying to figure this family out.

Beverly

   

[ozranga]

Hi Beverley,
SV 3283 is a public grave. Mary Ann Sinnoot died iin 107 Rice Lane age 70 interred 23/3/1939

BZ 3004 Public. Laurence Clake 86 Boundary St age 62, int 16/12/1900

RD 1369 Private
Mary Alice Sinnott, d Cottage Hospital Pemberton Wigan age 36. int 9/3/1922
Edward Sinnott d 35 Hands St L21 age 33 int 29/11/1919
Alfred Lloyd  d 45 Hands St L21 age 12 days int 15/2/1927
George Lloyd d Fazakerley Hospital age 3 int 11/8/1928
Alfred Edward Sinnott d 39 Rude St L21 age 13months int 19/12/1932

My information comes from the set of 89 microfiche of Ford, Yew Tree & Ainsdale Cemeteries.
It is in two parts, Firstly the index in alpha order with burial site & date of interment.
The second part is by Grave, in Numerical order in each portion, which lists all occupants.

If the burial plot is not known, the index has to be searched, so accurate dates are helpful, and if the plot location is known I can go straight to the plot.

I can't sort out your family, I can only tell you who is buried in the plot you request information for, and this will assist with your research.
I am assuming your information is coming from a very well known subscription website which promises unreasonable and often unachievably wonderful results. This may be a great resource but it isn't always accurate, and great care must be taken with Public member trees. Double check all information on these.

hope this helps
Marienne

[Blue70]

Hi,
Sorry to have not known exactly  how the numbering and letter area for Ford Cemetery works.

I'm a little more knowledgeable now.  What if the Letters are not at the top of the page for Public?

Laurence Patrick Clarke b. about 1858 Dublin, Ireland died December 1900 and is possibly buried 16 December 1900 Ford Cemetery. There are no letters at the top of the page. Wondering how you know or figure out # 3004 is BZ?

Mary Ann (Kirkpatrick) Sinnott in previous post died 23 March 1939 # 3283  no letters in front nor at top of page.

I sincerely appreciate your help in trying to figure this family out.

Beverly

 

The older entries in the Ford Cemetery burial registers leave off the section letter for the public burials because they were using one public section at that time and they felt no need to keep entering the same letter. So you either have to go back page by page until you get what letter it was or determine what public section they were using at that time. BZ (previously called B) is often the section that people are looking for. Ancestry is the site to use for a general search of burials but first try to identify deaths on Free BMD:-

https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

This look-up offer is usually for people who have identified private burials at Ford Cemetery on Ancestry and would like to know who else is buried in the private grave plot as Ancestry does not provide this information but the plot records are available and can be accessed at some locations or obtained for personal use. Here is a guide showing what sections are private and what sections are public:-

http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~hibernia/genealogy/PDFs/Ford_Cemetery_Section_Usage.pdf


Blue

[BlueSaphire]

Blue - Thank you for the links, guide for Public/Private  has B as private.

Marienne - There are two Laurence Clarke’s buried on same day!

I need the Laurence Clarke 42 years of age in #  B  3004 interred Sunday 16 December 1900  birth year is 1858. Wife Bridget is a widow in 1901 Census.

Wrong age   BZ 3004 Public. Laurence Clarke 86 Boundary St age 62, int 16/12/1900

Can you please see if my Laurence comes up with  #  B  3004.

Unable to find Mary Sinnott death in BMD.

Can you please check to see if any of the following are my Mary Sinnott b. about 1828 in Ferns, County Wexford, Ireland.  Still alive in 1911 Census.

RD 1411  likely wife of William Sinnott and not my Marry (Doyle) Sinnott m. Patrick Sinnott
Interned Thursday 16 August 1923

Possibly:
1A 67  Interned 4 August 1926
SD 661 Interned 20 March 1929.

Find A Grave has:
There is a memorial stone (see cemetery photos page) located on the site of the old chapel (now demolished) which commemorates all those buried in the cemetery in unmarked graves.

https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/2287848/ford-cemetery#view-photo=127172020

Best regards,
Beverly

[Blue70]

To avoid confusion the private section B was opened much later than the public section B that was renamed BZ. So the 1900 burial can only be for BZ public section (originally called B). Here is a link showing a map of private sections with a key indicating the dates when those private sections were used:-

http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~liverpoolindexes/genealogy/maps.html


Blue

[BlueSaphire]

Thanks for the detailed maps.

To add some detail for #3004:

My likely Laurence Clarke
https://www.ancestry.ca/interactive/2183/engl56170_282-for-2-4_m_00039/1229730?backurl=https://www.ancestry.ca/family-tree/person/tree/120361487/person/350195557278/facts/citation/1000406161472/edit/record

My likely Laurence Clarke with Street Address
https://www.ancestry.ca/interactive/2183/engl56170_282-for-1-7_m_00221/52490?backurl=https://www.ancestry.ca/family-tree/person/tree/120361487/person/350195557278/facts

Both have age 42.  Sort of looks like could be a B  “B’s” in records above look more like a B with interments in the 2,000’s. Looks more like a squiggle for the interments in the 3,000’s at the bottom of page. Laurence is second from the bottom.

Beverly

[ozranga]

Hello Beverley,
No such grave as B 3004.
RD 1411 no burials here for Sinnott.

1A 67
Stephen Siinnott d 121 Latham St age 40 int 16/12/1901
Mary Sinnott Deedholder 63 Evelyn St Age 76 int 13/4/1926
Anne Balger 1 Woodland View L23 age 72, int 9/10/1980

SD 661. Mary Sinnott deedholder 13/4/1926
Michael Donnelly 46 Virgil St age 4 months int 22/3/1929
Nicholas Sinnott  107 Rice Lane L9 age 40 25/5/1937

As a beginner may I suggest that you post general enquiries on your family on the main forum as readers are very willing to share their knowledge there. Please use this thread for lookups only, it can get a little confusing with the extra detail. Family Trees on Ancestry.com if researched correctly should show complete source information, perhaps you can contact the owners of these trees as I cannot solve these problems for you. sorry.
Marienne