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Re: 1871 CENSUS LOOK UP WILLIAM SCARFE BORN 1862,EAST BERGHOLT,SUFFOLK
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 19 June 13 20:02 BST (UK) »
Yes, I will go down that route. 
Thanks a lot
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Re: 1871 Census Look up William SCARFE born 1862, East Bergholt, Suffolk
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 20 June 13 09:10 BST (UK) »
Hello Jan

I have checked the Suffolk Burial Index for you & although there are Scarf(e) burials in East Bergholt there seems to be quite a big gap around the time your chap was born - nothing between around 1838 - 1887, which may indicate they moved out of the area.

If the suggestions you have prove correct then:
William SCARFE age 34 of Mendlesham buried 16 Apr 1858 Mendlesham, St Mary
Sophia Ford age 40, abode Eye UH, buried 4 Mar 1879 Mendlsham St Mary.

No burial of a younger William SCARFE between 1851-1861

However I suspect from FreeBMD that there were 2 William SCARFEs born in 1862
William SCARFE registered MarQ 1862 4a/489 Hartismere, which is likely to be the one in Mendlesham.

William SCARFE SepQ 1862 Samford Reg Dist 4a/527 which is likely to be the one you are looking for.

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Re: 1871 Census Look up William SCARFE born 1862, East Bergholt, Suffolk
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 20 June 13 09:21 BST (UK) »
Take it you are looking for the parents of William SCARFE living East Bergholt 1881, wife Maria?

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Re: 1871 Census Look up William SCARFE born 1862, East Bergholt, Suffolk
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 20 June 13 09:34 BST (UK) »
William is consistent in his place of birth in all censuses from 1881 to 1911! ::)

I wonder if he was born illegitimately?
And therefore had a different surname in 1871?

But then again, the birth registration is under Scarfe! :-\
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Re: 1871 Census Look up William SCARFE born 1862, East Bergholt, Suffolk
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 20 June 13 09:40 BST (UK) »
Found him!!

Class: RG10; Piece: 1746; Folio: 18; Page: 3
Porter Shop Lane, East Bergholt

Scaff, John  Head  M  66  Carpenter  b East Bergholt
Scaff, Mary A  Wife  F  60  b Bradfield, Essex
Scaff, Elizabeth  Daughter  F  13  b East Bergholt
Scaff, John  Son  M  11  b East Bergholt
Scaff, William  Son 8  Scholar  b East Bergholt
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Re: 1871 Census Look up William SCARFE born 1862, East Bergholt, Suffolk
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 20 June 13 13:53 BST (UK) »
Thanks very much for the latest 1871 census but I have a couple of concerns ;-

1. Mary seems too old to have those children ?
2. Could she be a 2nd wife
3. Surname spelling
4. John is a carpenter as was William in later life

I've found a death for a John Scarfe June Q, 1879 Samford

Grrrrrrr

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Re: 1871 Census Look up William SCARFE born 1862, East Bergholt, Suffolk
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 20 June 13 15:02 BST (UK) »
Some would argue that she was not too old :)  The last child (William) on the CR could easily have been born when she was 50/51.  Mary Ann could easily have been his second wife or perhaps he started late.

I think KGarrard has found the right family for you - spelling is just a matter of how they said their name to the enumerator & how he interpreted what they said.

A copy of William's birth cert will give you all the info you need inc mothers maiden name but there are 2 potential marriages on FreeBMD that might fit the bill. 

John SCARF & Mary Ann REED MarQ 1857 Sudbury Ref 4a/509.  Sudbury RD covers the villages just west of E Bergholt.   

John SCARFE & on the same page Mary Ann GURLING Cosford RD Dec 1850 12/667.  Cosford RD is more NW of E Bergholt.

3rd option is he could have nipped across the river into Essex & married there - Bradfield is not far across stream from E Bergholt

The John SCARFE death reg you have found in the Samford RD is likely this one
John SCARFE age 76 buried 25 May 1879 Chelmondiston,  St Andrew (Suffolk Burial Index).

I found a Mary Ann SCARFE buried 18 Jul 1900 East Bergholt age given as 78.  If it is the same Mary Ann then she could have been younger than the 1871CR suggests or her age at death was a guesstimate.  Samford RD SepQ 1900 4a/653.  No sign of husband John buried at E Bergholt up to 1900 on SBI


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Re: 1871 Census Look up William SCARFE born 1862, East Bergholt, Suffolk
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 20 June 13 15:06 BST (UK) »
I think KGarrard has found the right family for you - spelling is just a matter of how they said their name to the enumerator & how he interpreted what they said.

Keziah2 has just proved the point about spelling! ;D

My surname is Garrad, not Garrard!
But everyone gets it wrong!! ;D ;D
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Re: 1871 Census Look up William SCARFE born 1862, East Bergholt, Suffolk
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 20 June 13 15:14 BST (UK) »
Sorry KGarrad I get it all the time too - folk drop the H which is very relevant

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