St Vincents Convent, Watford

[A Jones]

Hi, my name is Alison Jones, My father in law Clifford who is one of 3 brothers and the son of Lionel George Jones, the Lionel in question .. Brother of Winifred who you say went to live with him in Manchester after her husband's death in 1927.  Clifford will be celebrating his 80th birthday in April and my husband Mark and I are keen to put together some sort of family tree for the event.  cliff knew his father had lived in an orphanage in London after us mother had died but there was word that his father had taken a second wife who could not cope with the children ?  Lionel did marry but his wife died and was nursed by Catherine Williams who went on to marry Lionel in 1934 Barton Manchester. Lionel died in Eccles Manchester in 1978 aged 88.  All 3 sons, Clifford Hughie and Alwyn are living with families of their own.  Whilst checking www.ancestry.com it shows James E Jones and Kathleen Hayes marrying south Dublin 1883.  If Edward was born 1885, he must be James son but why was James in Ireland ? Do you know?    Lionel was a steam engine driver. I will try and ask if he remember 'Aunt Winifred' or any other of Lionel's siblings.    If my findings are correct James was a pianoforte tuner and his father John E Jones b 1836 a cabinet maker.  I think James mother was Ann Maria Price b1837 and they were all from London so not sure why they moved to North Wales but may explain why the children were put to London rather than stay in Wales.  We would be delighted to hear if your findings proved positive or if you have any further information at all regarding the family history. 

[A Hunter]

Hi Alison --- Soooooo delighted to hear from you, yes we share the same family. We knew Lionel was my Grandmother (Winifred's brother) and we knew he was a railway engine driver. We did not know he had been married twice and we did not know he had, had 3 boys. So this is all great news for us.  As you may have seen from my previous messages on Roots, I have been trying to trace my mother (Phyllis's real date of birth) - this is what started all my investigations. I have been following all the family history for about 5 years and have found 2 cousins I did not know about. One in Australia who has been over to see us and one in Portsmouth who we met in London last year.  These are people from my Father's side of the family.  So your email, from my mother's side, was read with great interest, I visited Bangor and found where James Edward Jones lived, I did not find another marriage after Kathleen died, but I found he had a a house keeper who stole from him and she was sent to prison.
I have lots more "stuff", and look forward to hearing from you soon.

[dawnsh]

Hi Alison

Welcome to Rootschat 

I'm pleased to see that you and unter have found each other here.

Alison, once you have made another post you can use the personal message system and exchange more information such as email addresses off-forum.

Click on the little clip-board type icon under the members name and avatar and access the system there. If the icon is glowing bright green there is a chance that the other person is online.

Dawn

[A Jones]

We were fascinated to hear about James Edward Jones housekeeper and her subsequent prison sentence. It would be great to get something giving details of this. Do you know what Kathleen died of ? She was still so young. Census shows James a lodger in Bangor 1901 after the children had been sent to The orphanage in London. I can't find him in 1911. Did he die in Wales.   I have photographs of Lionel taken when he would have probably been in his 50's and have asked family members if they can find any younger I can email you.   Once Cliff knows about this I will put him in touch but apologise this is all still under wraps until his birthday.  The more info I have the better. I should be able to contact your email soon I think after this chat from what I can tell ?? Thank you again for the info so far !!

[A Hunter]

Hi Alison --

We have newspaper cuttings of James housekeeper and her misdemeanors and we can send you copies.
We don't know what Kathleen died of because we didn't send for the death cert, however you will notice she had 4 children in 5 years, this may have had a relevance. (She was only 36). 
Yes we found James in both 1901 & 1911 Census's. He was still a lodger in 1911 but a different address. Will send you more later.
James died in hospital in Bangor (of colon cancer) he was about 76 yrs old. Lionel was the advisor to the registrar.
It would be great to see a picture of Lionel and other members of the family but you must keep all this a secret from your Father in Law or it will spoil the suprise.
When you contact me via the Private Message section, we can exchange email addresses, then we can exchange more information about ourselves and about living people.

Looking forward to hearing from you.

A Hunter

[A Jones]

I have tried to click on the clipboard but nothing seems not to work .    In response to someone's suggestion that Georgina may have taken the children after the orphanage .... She married George Peter Murray in Bangor 1893 (the same year her sister Kathleen died) and 2 years after the 1891 census showing her living with the Jones family. In 1901 they were still in Wales living in Brook Row, Bangor with their children Kathleen, 7. Oliver, 4 and William , 2yrs. George is a journeyman tailor.  By 1911 they have moved to Ireland, living in Coombe cottages, Merchants quay, part of Dublin. Kathleen who will be 17 is not living with them Olive, 14, William 12 Alfred, 9, Gerald, 6 and Georgina Margaretta is 3 months.  George is still a tailor. Are Kathleen's parents James Hayes b 1846 and Ellen Day Ogrady ..?   If they are, are they Georgina full parents too .?  I am looking forward to emailing but will keep trying the clipboard icon in the meantime.