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Are these Webb's related?
« on: Saturday 15 June 13 13:18 BST (UK) »
I have a marriage.

Benjamin WEBB married Caroline WEBB on 10 Jul 1872 in Eaglehawk, Victoria.

They had 7 children and then Caroline died in 1888.

Benjamin went on and re-married and had more children.

Fresh eyes on this would be nice, thanks in advance. Cheers Ted
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Re: Are these Webb's related?
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 15 June 13 13:32 BST (UK) »
Hi Ted,

Sorry unless I've missed something  8) - what are we looking at / for?

Is it that you are you unsure if the Benjamin who 'remarried' (to whom and when?) is actually your Benjamin who was widowed by Caroline in 1888?

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Re: Are these Webb's related?
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 15 June 13 13:45 BST (UK) »
Sorry Ambly - should have explained better.

I am looking for a link between Benjamin and Caroline WEBB before they married. I cannot find either of their births.

I am trying to figure out whether I can afford/justify buying their marriage cert. and just thought I might ask for some help before I make up my mind.

Thanks for looking and taking and interest, cheers Ted
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Re: Are these Webb's related?
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 15 June 13 14:51 BST (UK) »
Hi Ted

Oh, I see now!  8)  ;D - both surname WEBB

The 1872 Marriage notice says she was Miss 'of Rochester' and he was of Raywood.

Australia Death
Caroline WEBB
Died Mitiamo (also listed as: Mologa), Victoria 1888 age 39 (b abt 1849)
Parents: Richard WEBB and Maria TELFORD

She died 29th Sept 1888 at Hyanmi near Mitiamo
http://shrinkalink.com/64802

This is her brother:
William Telford WEBB  1842-1911
http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/webb-william-telford-4824

He died in St Kilda, but was on holiday there from Rochester.

Besides William & Caroline, there were 4 other siblings.

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Re: Are these Webb's related?
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 15 June 13 15:25 BST (UK) »
Australia Death Index:
Benj. WEBB, age 52
Died 1894,  Bingo, Victoria (Bendigo?)
Father: Jos.
Mother: Matilda NOYES

'Noyce' was a middle name of 2 of his children.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/94JC-4QN
IGI:
Joseph WEBB b 19 Jul 1806, d 30 May 1871, Beenham, Berks.
Matilda NOYES b 1808 Tadley Hampshire, died  Jan 1885, Mortimer Hampshire
MARRIED 13 Nov 1836, Reading

ISSUE:
Benjamin Born 10 Dec 1842, Beenham Lodge, Berkshire, died 24 Dec 1894, Bendigo

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Re: Are these Webb's related?
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 15 June 13 16:51 BST (UK) »
My Webb ancestors come from Tadley. Do not have a Benjamin, but there were rather a lot of them. Tadley is in the very north of Hampshire so they often strayed over the border to Berkshire.   

Try searching Webb Family Tadley Hampshire. I once found a website. They also seem to crop up on FamilySearch.
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« Reply #6 on: Saturday 15 June 13 19:25 BST (UK) »
The marriage registration gives their places of birth:

WEBB Benjamin (born BERKSHIRE) m. WEBB Caroline (born KINGS CO) 1872 #3113

 


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Re: Are these Webb's related?
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 10 May 15 11:41 BST (UK) »
Benjamin WEBB (1842-94) and Caroline WEBB nee WEBB (1848-88) of Raywood and later Mologa, Victoria, Australia were my great grandparents.   They met when Benjamin selected land across the road from Caroline's brother John WEBB (1840-1918), in the land parish boundary of Hayanmi and Mologa in 1868.    Benjamin was born at Hillfoot House, Beenham, Berkshire, England and I believe Caroline was born at Killenmore House, Geashill, Offaly (Kings County) Ireland.   

Benjamin had an older brother Robert Elisha Thomas WEBB (1833-96) who migrated to Victoria, Australia in 1852/53 and Benjamin followed in 1865 on board the City of Melbourne.   Benjamin settled at Raywood in the late 1860s, working with Robert's brother in law David WOOD (1833-71) who was (one the town's first?) blacksmiths.   Robert WEBB settled at Kingower and later Rheola as a baker.   

Caroline came with her parents and five siblings on board the Great Britain in 1858/59.    Caroline's parents, Richard (1813-71) and Maria WEBB (1815-1901) first settled at Spring Hill, south of Kyneton and then between 1867 and 1871 their extended family moved to Naneella and Echuca South.

There are six registered WEBB vs WEBB marriages in Victoria, Australia prior to 1888.   These represent three ceremonies and six WEBB persons.   Their other two couples were marriages whereby a widow or widower married a brother in law or a cousin of their former spouses.   

Benjamin and Caroline's marriage certificate clearly states "of no relation".    Benjamin's family originate from Chapel Row, Bucklebury, Berkshire from the earliest parish records in 1539.

Richard WEBB (1813-71) had three siblings (or descendants there of) who migrated to Australia.   The first was niece Charlotte Elizabeth WEBB (1831-1907) who travelled via Adelaide in 1952 and married in 1854 to Thomas Thomas RUNDLE.   This family settled around Sedgwick, Victoria and later Kerang.   Charlotte's parents (Joseph Bloomfield WEBB 1808-79?) and their three sons stopped in Victoria on route to New Zealand in 1864, when they settled in Hamilton, North Island.    Their remaining sister and six nephews/nieces settled in Melbourne and around Spring Hill, Kyneton, Victoria (and later Cohuna and Sydney, NSW) shortly after 1860.

Richard WEBB's (1813-71) parents were reputedly John WEBB and Catherine BLOOMFIELD.   

I believe this Irish WEBB family has some connection to Major St Laurence WEBB who settled near Indented Head in 1840 and Richard Ponsby WEBB, who are descendants of a George WEBB (died 1800) and originally from Trumpington, England.   

Joseph Bloomfield WEBB (1808-79?) was married to a woman whose maiden name was DUDLEY.   This name appears several times in the above mentioned family and one of Benjamin and Caroline WEBB's children lived next door to a descendant of this family in Geelong around 1918, however to date I can find no defined link.   

This same family had a number of sons who were in the British Army and Richard WEBB's (1813-71) father in law was William TELFORD (1796-1973) of Clara, Offaly and later Dublin and he was also a commissioned officer (Major) in the army.   Perhaps Richard WEBB and Maria TELFORD married abroad?

Both Caroline and Benjamin WEBB's ancestors were very much protestant, but if they were connected, this connection was well prior to 1750.

Hope that clears things up.   

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Re: Are these Webb's related?
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 12 May 15 09:41 BST (UK) »
Benjamin WEBB's parents were Joseph WEBB (1806-1871) and Martha NOYES (1808-1885) of Hillfoot Farm, Beenham, Berks.   Joseph was the youngest child and second Joseph of Elisha WEBB (1755-1810) and Judith HAM (1761-1834).   The WEBBs built Hillfoot House in 1737.

Martha NOYES was the second oldest child of Benjamin NOYES (1783-1867) and Elizabeth HAM (1786-1877) of Little London, Tadley, Hampshire.

Elizabeth HAM (1786-1877) was the niece of Judith HAM (1761-1834).   All but one of Elisha and Judith's ten children were christian/baptised at the Tadley Primitive Methodist Church.   From the 17th century, the WEBB family followed a number of minor religions, including the Countess of Huntingdon - Selina HASTINGS (1701-1791).

The HAMs were from Strathfield Mortimer on the Hampshire/Berkshire border.   Judith's father Robert HAM (1720-1790) was a carpenter apprenticed to Richard MAYER of Bramley in 1738.    Just how Elisha WEBB came to meet and marry her in 1783, however he is believed to have had son connection or been working for a Caleb WEBB of Bramley.   Elisha returned to Hillfoot Farm after his father Robert WEBB (1714-1788) died.

The WEBB family has been traced back to Robert WEBB's ggggg grandfather, Richard WEBBE (?-1544) of Chapel Row, Bucklebury, Berks.  There were many branches to the WEBB tree between 1544 and 1800, it is possible some lived in Tadley, but there was also a WEBB family living at Beenham Lodge who had no connection to our family (at least after 1685) so we should never assume.

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