England To South Africa how did he get there?

[Rainyk]

Hi all i have an ancestor that has me intrigued,

Francis Gladston Forsyth
Born : 3 Aug 1878 Chipping Barnet England to
James francis Forsythe 1836 - 1908
Charlotte Sarah Field 1844 - 1896

Married Elizabeth Westman 28 Sept 1910 Johannesburg Sth Africa

Died  3 Aug 1956 Gymea Bay, New South Wales, Australia

Apart from his birth certificate (i have from GRO) i can find no other record of Francis in England or of him leaving England to Sth Africa. Family story goes ( may or may not be correct ) he went to Sth Africa looking for gold and met Elizabeth in a hospital she was volunteering in nursing soldiers from the Boer war and followed her home.

I looked in the 1891 Census and cant see him or his family. I cant seem to find him on any outgoing passenger list i have access to. 

Is anyone able to help me find him ?
Thanks in advance

[..claire..]

Hi

There is a Charlotte S Forsythe 'visiting' the family of a James and Maria Borland in the 1891 census of Camberwell London. Also 'boarding' is a Francis Forsyth aged 12 born Herts. Hertford.

Class RG12 Piece 468 Folio 108 Page 1.

claire

[groom]

This could be the family in 1881, but he doesn't appear to be with them. Jasnet has been amended to James on the transcription

RG11; Piece: 1369; Folio: 76; Page: 82  Chipping Barnet

Jasnet Forsythe           44  Farmer Of 90 Acres Of Land Employing 2 Men   Caithness, Scotland
Charlotte Forsythe   34                                                                      London, Middlesex,
Sidney J. Forsythe   11                                                                      Brixton, Surrey
Lionel G. Forsythe     7                                                                      Brixton, Surrey
Kate Wiffen           20 servant
Clara Dunks           14 servant
John Wetherstone   32 servant

[Rainyk]

Thank you Claire, That looks promising !

Groom Thank You, yes that has me quite confused, Francis would have been 3 and his sister Annie would have been 10 and neither of them are there and i cant find them anywhere else 

[..claire..]

1881 census West Ham

no 308 Romford Road

Sophia Fields hd wid 75  and house property bn Middlesex St George
Charlotte ??            22 general Dom. Servant
Annie Forsyth 9 grand daughter scholar bn Brixham Surrey
FRANK GLADSTON 2 grandson   bn Barnet

Class: RG11; Piece: 1721; Folio: 12; Page: 19

claire

[groom]

Good find, Claire - so they were with their grandmother. Remember that the census only shows where they were that night, they may just have been visiting for a few days rather than living with her. Were there any children younger than Francis, if so they may have been sent away while she was having the next baby?

[Rainyk]

WooHoo Great find Thank You !!!

Charlotte's Mother is Sophia Field nee Luton

You guys Rock 

Groom, yes there was Lionel 1884 and Charlotte 1883, not quite the right time for the census though.

[mazi]

charlotte sarah field  1865-1896, is the birth date a typo


added, if born in 1865 she surely cannot be Francis and Annie's mother

[..claire..]

Wonder if this is brother Lionel's probate record,

Lionel George Forsythe of 'Greens Hotel' Hastings Sussex died on or about 1st May 1890 at sea, administration London 7 Feb. 1905 to James Forsythe farmer.
Effect: £23  4s  5d.

claire