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John Thomas MCKEOWN in Cape Colony 1882 - 1920
« on: Friday 14 June 13 17:44 BST (UK) »
Hi,
Would like to know all I can about this man. He married Flora Jamieson in Port Elizabeth 1904, and was in Prince Alfred's Guard from 1882 after a career in the British Army.
In particular, there is a document in the Cape Town repository of SA National Archives that I would like to see. Anyone know how I could do that? Details below.
Thanks, Graham

DEPOT     KAB                                                                   
SOURCE    DOC                                                                   
TYPE      LEER                                                                 
VOLUME_NO 4/1/414                                                               
SYSTEM    02                                                                   
REFERENCE 137                                                                   
PART      1                                                                     
DESCRIPTION          MORTGAGE BOND. JOHN THOMAS MCKEOWN.                                   
STARTING  18950000                                                             
ENDING    18950000                                                       

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Re: John Thomas MCKEOWN in Cape Colony 1882 - 1920
« Reply #1 on: Friday 14 June 13 23:12 BST (UK) »
If you email the archives in Cape Town and give them the NAAIRS reference, they will send you a quote for copying the documents and air-mailing them to you. Last time I did this it took about 4 weeks and cost less than £5 for about 20 pages.  ;)

Cape Town Archives Repository
Postal address: Private Bag X9025, CAPE TOWN 8000
Street address: 72 Roeland Street, CAPE TOWN
Tel: (021) 466 8100. Fax: (021) 465 2960.
Email: Archives@pgwc.gov.za   (for General Correspondence)

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Re: John Thomas MCKEOWN in Cape Colony 1882 - 1920
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 15 June 13 01:31 BST (UK) »
hi,,when and where was he born?
MCHUGH {mayo/manchester}   OHora,MCHALE{mayo/manchester /chicago}  KENNY{Manchester}   TIMPERLEY{wilmslow-bollin fee,Manchester} SMITH{manchester}  LEE{Colne,manchester,Cheshire} VENABLES {Styal.Cheshire} PAYTON {Staffs/Manchester}McCARTHY{TIPPERARY/MANCHESTER}  EAMES/AMS/HEAMES/HAMES/AYMES {Wilmslow/Manchester} Eames/Aymes  {Ireland/Manchester/Cheshire
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Re: John Thomas MCKEOWN in Cape Colony 1882 - 1920
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 15 June 13 03:21 BST (UK) »
Here is his estate notice.
DEPOT TAB   SOURCE    MHG  TYPE   LEER  VOLUME_NO 0   SYSTEM 01   REFERENCE 9376   PART      1   DESCRIPTION   MCKEOWN, JOHN THOMAS.                                                 STARTING  19040000   ENDING    19040000                                                              REMARKS   SURVIVING SPOUSE FLORA JANNIESON MCKEOWN (BORN MCINTOSH).

To obtain pictures of documents held in the National Archives. Go to http://www.eggsa.org and select Content --> On Line Shop --> order Archive documents.  Once you have selected the currency, select "Enter the Shop" and then select "Archive photos" (in yellow on the blue band) and follow the instructions. They are only able to organise the photographing of documents from the South African Archives at Pretoria (TAB), Bloemfontein (VAB), Pietermaritzburg (NAB) and Durban(TBD). Other archives such as KAB require a researcher to transcribe documents by hand as no copying by camera or photocopying is allowed. Rates are cheap especially if ordering from overseas.

Here is a picture of the nominal roll for Prince Alfred's Guard surname beginning with M, go to this link http://www.angloboerwar.com/component/content/article/5-south-african-unit-histories/452-prince-alfreds-guard-mounted-infantry?start=1 No mention of his name and here is a link to the full nominal roll for Prince Alfred's Guard at http://www.britishmedals.us/files/127_PAGMI.html no mention iether!   
Hope this helps regards Derek.
           
Austin, Ayling, Alborough, Bescoby, Cheal, Groom,Rathbone,Tarboton,Lyell and Smith.


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Re: John Thomas MCKEOWN in Cape Colony 1882 - 1920
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 15 June 13 08:37 BST (UK) »
Hi, Thanks to all for prompt replies, I only put this on last night !!
Have now emailed KAB for a copy of his mortgage record that I found yesterday
And ordered a copy of his estate notice from eGGSA
If this is his estate notice, it suggests he died in 1904? I'm just surprised because I have a copy of his marriage record on order which is also dated 1904.
He was born 1854 in Jersey, Channel Islands. Army from 1870 to 1882, invalided out. I have most details of his family from Jersey and his Army record, but don't know much about him in South Africa.
Was in Port Elizabeth in time for presentation of his Afghan Medal, so probably v. soon afterwards. Also in Prince Alfred's Guard at that time.
Both the records you mention are for the Mounted Infantry and also for Boer War. No suggestion that he was in that branch, or fought in that war. He had been in 15th Foot Regiment of British Army in India.
Anything else about McKeowns from Jersey, or where in Ireland they came from originally also most welcome. I have more details about his father, grandfather and siblings if anyone is interested

Thanks, Graham

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Re: John Thomas MCKEOWN in Cape Colony 1882 - 1920
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 15 June 13 08:42 BST (UK) »
If he was born in 1854 then in 1904 we would have been 50 already. Army from 1870 to 1882, why was he invalided out? Must have had some war wounds that caused an early death!

Derek
Austin, Ayling, Alborough, Bescoby, Cheal, Groom,Rathbone,Tarboton,Lyell and Smith.

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Re: John Thomas MCKEOWN in Cape Colony 1882 - 1920
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 15 June 13 09:05 BST (UK) »
He had phthisis, which is TB by any other name, so I didn't expect him to last that long. I have a press cutting of his wedding, but not year-dated, so I assumed it was soon after 1882. But just found his marriage record recently which appears to be 1904. Anyway, 50 in those days was not such an early death

Graham

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Re: John Thomas MCKEOWN in Cape Colony 1882 - 1920
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 18 June 13 17:28 BST (UK) »
Marriage, Presbyterian Church, Port Elizabeth, 1st March 1890:
John Thomas McKeown, full age, bachelor, musician, residence Uitenhage, after banns
Flora Jamieson McIntosh, spinster, residence Port Elizabeth

Port Elizabeth Directories:
1899: McKeown, J T, painter, St Paul's Hill
1901, 1902, 1903, 1904: McKeown, J, T., Richmond Hill
1905: McKeown, Mrs T.J., Richmond Hill    [assume this should be J.T., no later listings for her]

Flora Jamieson McIntosh was born 29 February 1872 in Port Elizabeth, baptised 22 April 1872 in the Presbyterian Church, Port Elizabeth.   Parents John McIntosh & Jane Hill Scott.

John McIntosh (Scotland 1835 - PE 17 Oct 1912) was in the Royal Navy, went to Kimberley, then PE.   Among first members of Prince Alfred's Volunteer Guard - guard of honour to Prince when he visited PE.

Let me know when you have the date of his death - even though he died in the Transvaal, there may be an obituary in the PE newspapers....






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Re: John Thomas MCKEOWN in Cape Colony 1882 - 1920
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 18 June 13 19:57 BST (UK) »
Wonderful information Sandy, thanks so much for looking this up. Presumably these were things you looked up in South Africa, as I hadn't been able to find much of this on the internet? Or was I just not looking in the right places?

Now I know why I couldn't find Flora McIntosh in Greenock, which is where her father came from. I have her as Flora Jamieson at the time of her marriage to McKeown, second daughter of John McIntosh of Greenock, and I took Jamieson to be her previously married name, but I see now it could be a middle name.

The document I have on order from ancestor.co.za appeared to be a marriage document, mentioning spouse etc, but I'm thinking now it's more likely to be concerning his estate.

Thanks again for taking the time to do this

Graham