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next of kin on enlistment records
« on: Thursday 13 June 13 00:31 BST (UK) »
Do the UK enlistment records include details of next of kin?  I'm trying to confirm whether one of my great uncles was involved during WW1.  If there were others of the same name, born in the same year in the same town, how do I know if the record relates to him?  He has no second name so there is no help there.

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Re: next of kin on enlistment records
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 13 June 13 00:50 BST (UK) »
Hi

I have sometimes seen a N o K on WW1 records - but I have seen a lot more records that don't show it.

Did you know that over 60% of WW1 service records were destroyed by fire in the WW2 blitz

Can you give us what you know about him - name/birthyear, birthplace
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Re: next of kin on enlistment records
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 13 June 13 01:08 BST (UK) »
Working out the correct man is quite a tricky thing to do especially with common names.

Many of the papers - especially later ones - have very little information.

As you say, Next of Kin - parents, marriage or children etc is one way to work it out but there are other bits of info which can prove useful too..eg

Birth year , birth place, address at enlistment, sometimes there is an address on discharge, occupation is sometimes listed and sometimes has info of where they worked (not often). And there may be distinguishing marks noted which just once in a while can show you have the right chap

Pension records if there are any have more info on them than basic enlistment (attestation sheets) eg about where they intend to work and correspondence about any injuries or medical treatment etc.

First thing is to see if there are any papers which may be his... and often the only way is to open every single one of the right name and look through them (not ideal if he is called John Smith) ::)

As Carole says - let us have some detail and we can advise further.

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McBride (Monaghan, Manchester), Derbyshire (Bollington,Cheshire), Knight (Newcastle,Staffs), Smith (Chorley, Lancs & Ireland), Tipladay (Manchester & Yorkshire) ,Steadman (Madeley,Shropshire), Steele (Manchester,Glasgow), Parkinson (Wigan, Lancashire), Lovatt, Cornes & Turner (Staffs) Stott (Oldham, Lancs). All ended up Ardwick, Manchester
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Re: next of kin on enlistment records
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 13 June 13 01:40 BST (UK) »
CaroleW and millymcb

Thanks for your quick replies.

Name: Ernest Greaves (sometimes Graves)
DoB: Reg Jan-Mar 1889
Birthplace: Hanslope, Bucks

He disappears after 1911.  I've found no marriage or death records that I suspect might be his except for a 29 year old whose death was registered Oct-Dec 1918 in Nuneaton.  I have found that there was an auxiliary hospital at Nuneation during the First WW so I wondered if he died there as a result of wounding. 

I have found a few Ernest and E Greaves records on www.forces-war-records.co.uk but wondered if there would be enough information on the records to make it worthwhile.  There seems to be no way of isolating records so would need to look at each record to see if it is even relevant. 

Of course he may not have even been in the military.  I really am clutching at straws.


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Re: next of kin on enlistment records
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 13 June 13 02:21 BST (UK) »
Hi

Surviving WW1 Service Records are on Ancestry not Forces War Records.

The only way to know if the Ernest Greaves death in 1918 was him would be to purchase the certificate and hope there is information on it that either confirms it is him or rules him out.

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Re: next of kin on enlistment records
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 13 June 13 08:12 BST (UK) »
I thought I might have to go that way, Andy.  Thank you. 

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Re: next of kin on enlistment records
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 13 June 13 14:23 BST (UK) »
Hi

I don't know whether it's your Ernest but an Ernest Greaves aged 21 departed London for Freemantle Australia on 20.9.1911 aboard the "Australian" which was part of Australian Steam Shipping Co Limited

There are no other clues on the passenger list unfortunately but you may want to consider posting this info on the Australian board to see if anybody with access to Australian records can find him and either eliminate him as the wrong one or confirm it's him

Include details of his parents in case a marriage is found
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Re: next of kin on enlistment records
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 13 June 13 14:41 BST (UK) »
Last known whereabouts he is staying with his brother Arthur (1874)  a General Dealer and wife Julia (1864)at High Street Hanslope Bucks as Farm Labourer
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Re: next of kin on enlistment records
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 13 June 13 16:28 BST (UK) »
Hi

There are a lot of Ernest Greaves listed for WW1 and nothing obviously showing for that birth year and place. 

Once you have eliminated or confirmed that death I think the only option is to check all the service/pension papers that exist at Ancestry (online if you have a sub - or at your local library/records office if not).  You will have to open each one that looks possible and see if any of the facts match.   

Given that only 30% survive and not all have useful info on it is not ideal but there isn't really another way to go - unless you can find a marriage and children during WW1 and there is more info on the certificates or you turn up some photos or medals which can help identify a regiment.


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McBride (Monaghan, Manchester), Derbyshire (Bollington,Cheshire), Knight (Newcastle,Staffs), Smith (Chorley, Lancs & Ireland), Tipladay (Manchester & Yorkshire) ,Steadman (Madeley,Shropshire), Steele (Manchester,Glasgow), Parkinson (Wigan, Lancashire), Lovatt, Cornes & Turner (Staffs) Stott (Oldham, Lancs). All ended up Ardwick, Manchester
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