KENNY - McGRILLIS - Queensland

[Neil Todd]

I don't know who has this wrong but

Death Hugh McGuiness Ref # 1878/C789 Father Hugh Mother Harriet

Neil

[giblet]

I am just so confused  How did Hugh become John 

Birth
4547/1856    MCGRILLIS    GRACE    HUGH    ELIZABETH    GAYNDAH

Marrige
1874/C14    Gordon   James   McGrillis   Margaret

Death
1895/C134   Grace   Gordon     John McGrilles    Elizabeth

[Neil Todd]

Umm, illiterate people just say their name and sign with an X marks the spot. They dunno what was written down for their name.

No more confused than me

Neil

[Neil Todd]

Could there be another family or is the same one

Sarah M Mccullough (1866 - 1877)
Born in Goulburn, New South Wales, Australia on 1866 to John McCullough and Bridget Britelia Carroll. She passed away on 1877 in Goulburn, New South Wales, Australia.

  neil

[giblet]

He was a Hugh when the kids were born  And John on their death indexes. This name change from Hugh to John is really bugging me

nsw birth index
V18553051 72/1855    MCGRELLIS    MARY    HUGH    ELIZABETH
4547/1856    MCGRILLIS    GRACE    HUGH    ELIZABETH    GAYNDAH
6591/1858    MACGILLISS    ANN    HUGH    ELIZABETH    DALBY

qld birth index
1860/C736   Jane  McGillis   Hugh   Elisabeth Kenny

Marg where did the second names come from just their birth index and/or marriage index dont indicate other names 
Re , Margaret Grace b. 1856, Ann Elizabeth b. 1858 (my g. grandmother)

[rosball]

On this other forum Marg refers to him as Hugh aka John ...
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/AUS-QLD/2007-11/1195982319

regards,
   Ros

[Neil Todd]

I may be just an old bloke but I have never heard of the IRISH name of mcgrillis,

Maguilis yes, Maguillies yes, McGuiness yes, McInnes, yes. Oh other than those, probably misspelt one's that is.

Neil

Oh yeh the new Qld Bdm

[Marg S]

Thank you Neil, Ros, Giblet, Merlin, Leanne & Debra for your thoughts and replies.  I will try to answer all your queries 

It seems that there is confusion about names which is what I have found with just about every ancestor I have researched so it is nothing new to me  . 

He is definitely Hugh McGRILLIS as according to his Convict Indent he had tattoos which said "INH  HMC" and "Hugh MCGRILLIS 81(something that looks like a back to front '3') 6" plus a cross and a anchor.  Heavens knows what the numbers mean??  Any ideas??

As you can see from various BDM records their names were also John McGILLIS/McGRELLIS/McGILLISS etc and Eliz(s)abeth KENNEY/KENNY/KINNEY.  All my info and second names are have from certificates and records.

The death cert for John MCGRILLIS 1884 has the correct age and that he was born in Ireland so I feel quite sure I have the right guy especially considering that I think he was the only McGRILLIS in Qld at the time.

It is a good idea to contact South Rockhampton Cemetery to see if Elizabeth is buried there.  Thanks for that thought.  Common sense really but as it seems to happen with me, when I am in the thick of it, I tend to miss simple things that are staring me in the face.  I suppose that is why people post queries to get others thoughts

The marriage cert for Hugh and Elizabeth states they both signed their name with an "X" so with them both being illiterate and an Irish accent, no wonder we are finding so many different spellings    It is interesting that Bridget was not a witness on her sisters marriage cert.

With regards to Bridget marrying John McCullough, the info seems to fit but I will search for a link to be sure.

Neil Todd could you please tell me where you found the info on Sarah McCullough "Sarah M Mccullough (1866 - 1877).  Born in Goulburn, New South Wales, Australia on 1866 to John McCullough and Bridget Britelia Carroll. She passed away on 1877 in Goulburn, New South Wales, Australia."  I cant find the exact info mentioning "Britelia Carrol" on NSW BDM.  This could be the contributing factor in figuring if there are more than one marriage of a John McCullough and Bridget especially if "Carrol" is a surname.

Gee, I didn't realise that I posted about Hugh & Bridget back in 2007.  Goes to show just how long these elusive ancestors of mind take to track down

Any more thoughts would be appreciated,
Many thanks,
Marg S

[Neil Todd]

hi Marg, under is what I found googling "McCullough Family Goulburn"

http://records.ancestry.com/Sarah_M_Mccullough_records.ashx?pid=202827554

Not sure if ther was two families as there seem to be births in Sydney and in Goulburn same year.

But it is a strange coincidence.

Neil