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Offline cristiane

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cambria birth place
« on: Monday 03 June 13 23:10 BST (UK) »
I have a direct maternal ancestor born in 1818 in Cambria, certificate states this name of birthplace.  The certificate has very good and clear writing, no way to make an error in reading it.
Her father was in the Royal Artillery at the time of her birth and that of her siblings.
Ruth was the only child (first born) to be born here, the others were born in actual English counties.
Had made contact with Wales and they were not helpful at all, told me to contact Cumbria in England.
I had checked the Cambria name and it stated on the internet that it was also another name for Wales.
Ruth has multiple references of her birth on the Military births Overseas indexes.
I spoke to a person in the Lancashire office for ordering certificates and she said I should order all those references of birth.
A very expensive way to do it, especially if they all end up having the same details (and I live in Australia).
I was hoping to speak to the gentleman who deals with the military Births, Deaths and Marriages,  but he was not at work that day.  Was a shame, as he was very helpful when I spoke to him previously when needing to order certificates.
Am also interested in finding out the areas that the R.A. was based in Wales, also if there is some-one who can help shed some light on this placename.
Thanking anyone in advance for assistance.
from Cristiane.


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Re: cambria birth place
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 04 June 13 01:38 BST (UK) »
hi,,can you post some details,,,her full name,,,her fathers name,,,when and where her father was born if known?  ;)
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Re: cambria birth place
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 04 June 13 03:38 BST (UK) »
It cannot be Cumbria. Cumbria was a political action combining Cumberland and Westmorland, a part of Lancashire and apparently a small part of Yorkshire into one "County" in 1974. Just as Blumberg, South Australia was renamed Birdwood in 1917 and dachshund dogs were attacked in the streets of England during Word War One the renaming of English, Scottish and Welsh counties was in vogue in 1974.

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Re: cambria birth place
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 04 June 13 08:46 BST (UK) »
Dont worry about spending all that money!!!!! You wont be able to order any certificates anyway, as 1818 is before Civil Registration began in 1837
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: cambria birth place
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 04 June 13 09:45 BST (UK) »

Ruth has multiple references of her birth on the Military births Overseas indexes.

I don't understand "multiple references", but the Military births Overseas index should show where she was born. Wales would not be overseas. As 'gortonboy' suggests more details would help.

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Re: cambria birth place
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 04 June 13 09:59 BST (UK) »
Found this by a process of elimination from cristiane's surname list while waiting for the builder ~

She is a Ruth Lovatt from the GRO Regimental Births  Vol RA17 P 106 or Vol RA 22  P 48 or RA 29 64. All 1818.

Place given without Country.  All typed out - clearly Cambria. Suggest that cristiane contacts GRO about it but not sure if they would know either. Maybe someone on  the Armed Forces board might know where the RA were in 1818. There are various lists. Liverpool Annie was a dab hand with them.

Added - or maybe follow her up via a marriage and censuses  :-\


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« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 04 June 13 10:17 BST (UK) »
It might well be Malta:

http://maltaramc.com/regmltgar/royalart.html


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Re: cambria birth place
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 04 June 13 10:29 BST (UK) »
There are probably several ways to narrow down Ruth's birthplace.

1) Census records might list a country.

2) birthplaces of younger siblings might pin-point father's regiment which could lead to finding where he was stationed in 1818.

I found information on a family I was tracing (children born Malta, father in R.A.) on this website but can't see any Lovatts mentioned-
http://website.lineone.net/~aldosliema/britisharmy1.htm
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« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 04 June 13 10:47 BST (UK) »
Ruth Lovatt is possibly Ruth Lovett who married John Merelies at St Mary Magdalene, Woolwich in 1837.

This couple are recorded at Woolwich Barracks in 1841 as Ruth and John Merrilees. John is a  gunner, born in Scotland. Ruth's birthplace appears to shown as 'E' in the final column.  Possibly this is actually 'F' for 'Foreign Parts'

Census ref: HO107/ Piece: 493/ Book: 8/ Folio: 17/ Page: 6.

John and Ruth Merrylees baptised a son named John at St Mary Magdalen in 1841, and a daughter named Catherine Louisa in 1856.

I can't see them in 1851 or 1861, there is a possible death of Ruth in Greenwich district in 1862 - and I really must go out now  :) .
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