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Re: Tammy married her daughter off - ELLINgTON Family
« Reply #243 on: Monday 15 September 14 16:20 BST (UK) »
Hello Westoe

Me thinks is time to give up on this -

1. Crew list shows all crew lost with the ship, and that was stamped three times, first in September, then the following two Months.

2. Lloyd's continue to enter the ship on the register, right thru to 1873 !!!! ( though note that the entry is exactly the same each time )- it is meant to have sunk in Sept 1867.

3. Shipwreck Mariners society paid out in that year £ 24 to members of the crew of the Invicta of Sunderland. have re written to them giving the names of all the crew - so far No reply.

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John

p.s. To make things worse - wife does 'Day Lilyes' so should you want some !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Goodsir.  Ellington. Tillman.  Wilson. AngAs. Capstaff (Northumberland & Durham)
Macaire. Eusebe. Boitel. Beaulieu. Gordon. Tillman. Fear. Wood.
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« Reply #244 on: Tuesday 30 September 14 01:00 BST (UK) »
Hello John,

Apologies. I'm sort of out-of-the-loop because of the long struggle with this new computer, so I have to ask a couple of perhaps-dumb questions, because I have forgotten so much stuff.

Q1. Do you know the maiden surname of Peter Ellington's wife Mary?

Q2. Do you know when and where Peter and Mary were married?

If so, I'll have a noodle around for you.

Cheers,
Westoe

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Re: Tammy married her daughter off - ELLINgTON Family
« Reply #245 on: Friday 03 October 14 16:24 BST (UK) »
Hello Westoe

Hope all is going in the right direction,with your new apparatus, Here is what I had on Peter's wife:

In 1860 He married Mary.E. Buskenn OR Bushence (depending on which site you use!) she was born in 1833 in Sunderland - they married at Minster(Sheppey), her father's name was John - at the time Peter was working also for the Navy, but at Chatham dockyard, and in 1861 they lived in Coleman Street Chatham.

They also had a nine year old boy with them, but whose?

Note that' AVM' had suggested that I also tried different spellings, but I still have not 'Ancestors' site but will try now with ELLERINGTON OR ELRINGTON as suggested.

Only just back from Rochefort and the Charente and will put that on my next post, but for moment am suffering from attack of Bronchitis, back in a bit.

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John
Goodsir.  Ellington. Tillman.  Wilson. AngAs. Capstaff (Northumberland & Durham)
Macaire. Eusebe. Boitel. Beaulieu. Gordon. Tillman. Fear. Wood.
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« Reply #246 on: Saturday 04 October 14 21:58 BST (UK) »
 So with a lot of coughing I have come up with this :-

 
                  The future Capt. John Tillman's  First Sea Voyage – age 13years  ?

                            Genuine Old Brandy
A Cargo of the above, of the Choicest Quality, is just landed at this Port, direct from one of the first Houses at Cognac, ex ‘Transfer’, Captain Thomas Goodsir.
An eligible opportunity is now offered to Purchasers of one or more Puncheons, of furnishing themselves with a superior article, on moderate terms, either for present clearance, or to remain in bond.  – Apply to Importers,
                       NICOLLE and CHIDELL.
Nos. 24 and 25, French- Street,  Southampton
March 26th 1824
                          _  _  _  _  _  _  _  _  _  _  _  _  _  _  _  _  _  _
                                                    The Voyage
2nd April 1824 (Ship’s news) – Dover 31st March  - Off port ‘Transfer’ Goodsir, from Charente to London
3rd April 1824 (Ship’s news) – Deal. 1st April – three ships lost Anchor and cable off North Foreland yesterday, have put back and remain in the Downs due to rough weather. The ‘Transfer’ Goodsir has also been supplied with anchor and cable for the same reason.
Note.  Well at least the Brandy was ashore in Southampton. 
                          _  _  _  _  _  _  _  _  _  _  _  _  _  _  _  _  _  _

Before joining The ‘Fenwick’ ( Snow rigged -  195 T -  reg. Sunderland ) as an apprentice in 1825, at the age of 14years. Did he by chance go on the ‘Transfer’ with his Step father in March 1824 on the above voyage, so giving him his first taste of sea life  (and possibly Cognac), before starting on his chosen ?  sea career.
Of course, I can find no crews list at this date, so it must remain as ‘surmise’. However one can think that for the sake of his wife Tammy ( John’s mother ), it might have been the case, and Tammy ( my direct 3x Great Grandmother, who’s husband was Peter Tillman from Lympstone Devon) could even have herself been aboard – it was not unknown to take your wife from time to time on a voyage.
Proof of the last fact being that Thomas Goodsir’s son David from his first wife, was born onboard the ‘Malvina’  ‘ At sea in the North Atlantic’ May 8th 1816’  !!!

If my surmise is correct, then on our pleasant and interesting visit  this late September 2014 to Tonnay –Charente, we will have, 190 years later, walked the same Quays, seen the same Grand  Cognac Négociant’s establishments, listened to the same river Charente, as they did – a nice thought anyway.

Notes : Having spoken to the nice lady who runs the ‘Ancien  livre’ bookshop, we were able to learn quite a lot of interesting facts about the history of the town.
For example, at the time when ‘Transfer’ was there, the suspension bridge ( still standing) had not been build, so making it impossible for larger sea going sailing vessels to proceed any further up stream, and the smaller ‘Gabarres’ had to bring the cargo and load and discharge incoming cargo ( doing in fact the same job as the wherry/keel boats of the Tyne and Wear
Rivers in the north of England). At that time also The Town was known as Charente.

A lot of trade has been made with that town in France and our Mariners from the North East Coast,
so if I can get more info, it might be of interest for those of us searching in the 1800's

Best

John
Goodsir.  Ellington. Tillman.  Wilson. AngAs. Capstaff (Northumberland & Durham)
Macaire. Eusebe. Boitel. Beaulieu. Gordon. Tillman. Fear. Wood.
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Re: Tammy married her daughter off - ELLINgTON Family
« Reply #247 on: Sunday 05 October 14 19:37 BST (UK) »
Hello John,

Wow! What great local colour. Where did you find the advert? I'm a little envious - walking the same streets as my mariner ancestors looks like a forever impossibilty for me now - but pleased as punch for you. (Smile) When you look back at what you had on these people when you started, aren't you proud of how much more you have found? You should be. Hope that the bronchitis eases soon and I haven't forgotten that I'm going to go to the library to try Ancestry for Mrs. Peter Ellington.

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Westoe

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« Reply #248 on: Saturday 11 October 14 07:55 BST (UK) »
Help please

If anyone has the chance to look into 'Sunderland Echo' archives, could they please include a peep for any Obituary for the Architect John Tillman, who died on the 31st Dec 1899. He was buried on the 4th Jan in Sunderland.

On the British Newspaper Site I can find nothing, but me thinks it very strange that such a well known personage,who had always been heavily reported in the 'Echo' ( even to when he fell down the cellar steps!) would not have had an obituary at that epoch ?

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John
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« Reply #249 on: Thursday 16 October 14 16:27 BST (UK) »
Problem !!!

On family search, if for the 1891 Census you put in 'John Tillman' born Sunderland 1836 - as good as gold up comes the gentleman as a 'Visitor' St George Hanover Square - age & birthdate correct - then, say family search - go to our partner FindMyPast to get details - which one does try - up come from FindMyPast - come back in 30 mins. Nothing in 30 mins - try FindMyPast direct 1891 Census - no he doesn't show up at all.

Has anybody else had this stupid situation recently,  if so how can one get round it please ?

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John
Goodsir.  Ellington. Tillman.  Wilson. AngAs. Capstaff (Northumberland & Durham)
Macaire. Eusebe. Boitel. Beaulieu. Gordon. Tillman. Fear. Wood.
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Re: Tammy married her daughter off - ELLINgTON Family
« Reply #250 on: Friday 17 October 14 13:21 BST (UK) »
He does show up on FindMyPast

You have misread the name on familysearch -it is John Tilliman -and that is what he is transcribed as on FindMyPast

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« Reply #251 on: Friday 17 October 14 13:28 BST (UK) »
He is also John Tilliman on A******y
Image shows clearly he is entered as John Tilliman visitor age 35 Architect F.R.I (orJ?) B.A born Sunderland
address 16&15 New Bond St

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Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England
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