Tammy married her daughter off - ELLINgTON Family

[John1935]

Oh! forgot this - but seems interesting as a time-line for shipping :

'Royal Arch' left Sunderland on the 22nd June 1868 Bound for Genoa and Sulina.

She arrived Genoa on the 27th July  &  left on the 11th Aug

Arrival Sulina was the 15th Sept and departure a month later on 16th Oct

Eventually arriving back in UK ( Ipswich ) on 8th Jan 1869

Best

John

[Westoe]

Hello John,

Yes, I am almost back to full functioning again. Delighted to see that you have found a Canadian connexion.

Is that Dorothy, born 1865 Sunderland, Durham, married 1891, and  Lewis John born 1859 in Thetford, Norfolk? They are on 1911 Census in Halifax, West Riding of Yorkshire, but no sign of Ronald - at school abroad? Ronald, aged 4, is on the 1901 census in Guiltcross, Norfolk.

Have you any idea whether the "Uncle" who met Ronald's boat was paternal or maternal, blood uncle or uncle by marriage?

I think Lewis John Jillings had siblings:
- William Gayford Jillings, born 1853, Thetford
- Catherine A. or Catherine Ellen Jillings, born 1854, Thetford
- Ellinor M Jillings, born 1856, Thetford
- Lawrence H Jillings, born 1857, Thetford
- Charles Edward Jillings, born 1860 Thetford

Their baptisms are here:
http://www.doun.org/transcriptions/surnames.php?doc_type=150&surname=JILLINGS

Catherine Ellen Jillings married in Thetford Q3, 1874, to Kitton Gayford at Thetford St. Mary's.
http://www.doun.org/transcriptions/documents.php?document_id=9412

William Gayford Jillings married in Marylebone, Q4, 1875, to Amelia Blanche Pegg who was buried Thetford St. Mary's 1877
http://www.doun.org/transcriptions/surnames.php?doc_type=300&surname=JILLINGS
and again in Guiltcross, Q1, 1880, to Emily Constance Creasy.
http://www.doun.org/transcriptions/documents.php?document_id=18930
In 1883 Kelly's Directory, he appears as a farmer in Bridgham, Norfolk so .... unlikely I think to be the uncle.

Eleanor Mary Jillings married in Thetford St. Mary's , Q1, 1880, to Richard Charles Harvey.
http://www.doun.org/transcriptions/documents.php?document_id=9418

[Aside: I got the full names of this pair from Free BMD.]

I'm sure that you already know that Lewis John Jillings married in Sunderland, Q2, 1890 to Dorothy Turnbull. (Reference Number - Sunderland, Volume 10a, Page 917)

I haven't found a marriage for Lawrence/Laurence, and neither for any Charles E Jillings. There are possible marriages for plain Charles Jillings Q2, 1872 in Norwich and Q1, 1890 in Plomesgate, but as he was buried 1900 Thetford St. Mary's, he can't have been the uncle who met Ronald's boat in 1913.
[It's on same link as I gave above for burial of Amelia Blanche.]

Haven't been all that helpful yet, have I? (Grin, grin).

Wait for it - the good part is coming.

On 27 November, 1914, that address of 33 Gloucester Street, Toronto was occupied by Mrs. Edith Gayford, next of kin to Lt. Gordon Thomas Gayford, born 11 November 1892 and a commercial traveller in civilian life. Only five years older than Ronald and more likely a cousin than an uncle, so the uncle must have been Lt. GTG's father.
http://www.canadiangreatwarproject.com/searches/soldierDetail.asp?Id=140055

Ronald had that same address when he enlisted and there is a page for him too.
http://www.canadiangreatwarproject.com/searches/soldierDetail.asp?Id=30468

I think Ancestry has images of Canadian Attestation Papers, but I don't have any subscriptions at the moment. If your Public Library hasn't got Ancestry, I'll try to get it for you from mine, but no promises 'when' (they're not open evenings and daylight hours are pretty full).

Yes!, they do.
http://www.ancestry.ca/genealogy/ww1-canadian-soldiers/ronald-jillings.html

Here's a link to a photo of his name on the Loddon War Memorial and the text says that he is also named on the grave surround of his parents' grave outside of Chedgrave Church.
http://www.roll-of-honour.com/Norfolk/Loddon.html

This page specifies the location of that grave.
http://www.loddonhistory.org.uk/chedgrave.php

See a cigarette card showing uniform of the Governor-General's Body Guard here:
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Governor-Generals-Body-Guards-Toronto-Vintage-Cigarette-Silk-Number-26/321472809541?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140620075055%26meid%3D8601376625734495879%26pid%3D100011%26prg%3D20140620075055%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D10%26sd%3D321438155773

and a postcard on parade in Toronto c. 1912 here:
http://www.cardcow.com/161456/governor-generals-bodyguards-toronto-canada-ontario/


Cheers,
Westoe

[Westoe]

Hello John,

Two more bits.

Mrs. Edith Gayford had been Edith Geraldine Jillings. Both she and her husband, Arthur Thomas Gayford, have entries on Find-a-Grave.
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=114836479

So do Lt. GTG and his wife.
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Gayford&GSiman=1&GScid=639401&GRid=115636298&

Cheers,
Westoe

[John1935]

Whoops

You are back on form, thanks a lot, a little I had, and have sent off to 'The Ladies of Loddon' a request for further info.
Gayford does answer a big troubling question - as on a Census when Mary Isabella and Brother Thomas were together in Clifton Villas Sunderland - Thomas was marked down as Married - but can find no trace of that at all - so maybe Newcastle Brown was at work !!!
Here on two lots ( so as not to put strain on Green beastie ) is what I have on that part of Family so far ( have also info on Louise, but not relevent to this).

Best

John

[John1935]

Me again !
Starting with Dorothy's wedding - and now noting that Arthur Gayford was best Man
Sunderland Echo 3rd June 1890  - Fashionable Weddings

“Marriage was between Mr Lewis John Jillings of Bridgham Norfolk and Miss Dorothy Turnbull, Niece of Mr John Tillman, Clifton Villas. The Bridesmaid was Miss Sibun, of Jesmond, and Arthur Gayford acted as best Man. The Bride was given away by her Uncle Mr John Tillman. The newly married couple will spend their honeymoon in the Lake district. In both cases the presents were very numerous and costly

From the ‘Sunderland Echo’ we know that after Thomas died on the 28th June 1892, and that On March 3rd 1894 John put No.1 Clifton Villas up for sale, still for sale in June.

, so when it was actually sold, or when Mary Isabella and John moved out is uncertain,. Only events for sure are that John died on 31st December 1899 from Broncho-Pneumonia at his new abode of 142 Valley drive Harrogate, and the lady from next door was present – showing that Mary Isabella was not there By the time the 1901 census had arrived Mary Isabella was living, in South View, The Street, Bridgham, Guiltcross, just down the road from her daughter Dorothy and the Jillings family, and entered as Mary.I.Fiskin Widow and Head of household, age 59yrs, living on her own means with one of the local girls Clara Cutler age 17 as servant. After living with Fiskin (the steam plough inventor), she maybe felt at ease with her neighbours in ‘The Street’ – William Smith a Thrashing machine driver – Charles Halls a steam ploughing operator – Robert Copman a Wheelwright, along with two Shepherds,  two Thatchers,  an agriculture engine driver and a general shop owner – a Street party would have been interesting !

Best

John

[John1935]

Next
Due to the fact that ‘Kensal Green Cemetery’ is inscribed on the ‘Family Tombstone as the place where Mary Isabella is interred, I think we can take the following  probate as being hers :

Fisken Mary Isabella of 178 Forest Hill road Honor Park Kent, Widow died 27th April 1907 at the Cancer hospital Fulham Road  Brompton  Middlesex. Administration London 1”th May to Dorothy Jillings ( her daughter ) wife of Lewis Jillings Effects £368

Let us try and follow Dorothy and husband, just to their close family. On the census for 1891

They are shown as living in Grove farm Bridgham Guiltcross Norfolk, with one servant and no children yet, Lewis John is a farmer, then by

1901

We can see the family taking shape, still at Grove Farm The street in Bridgham :

Lewis John is 42 yrs born 1859 in Thetford, Dorothy wife 37yrs born 1864 in Sunderland, now with Three children, all born in Bridgham, the first being Doris May aged 7yrs b 1894, next born 26th Feb 1897 a son Ronald 4 yrs old and lastly Gwendoline  born 13th Dec 1898 -2 yrs old, and to keep the whole thing running smoothly, you had A governess Jessie A Gosling, and two servants, Florence Misor and Bessie Root.

As mentioned Mother Mary Isabella died in 1907 leaving all to Dorothy, the next mention is on an Electoral roll for 1909 which shows Lewis John in residence at 178 Forest Hill road.

[John1935]

Bit more and out to the Garden!!

178 Forest Hill road( where Mary Isabella had lived) This also being the year that Gwendoline was entered into the Year Book at the Royal Asylum of St Anne Society, her brother Ronald having entered in 1906 from the address of grandmother Mary Isabella (In Honor Oak Park)

Things get more confusing, when we get to the 1911 census, and Dorothy and Lewis John were visitors  at Harry and Harriete  Louisa( born in Sunderland same age as Dorothy) Barraclough’s house Hazelwood Free school lane Halifax, found young Doris May was staying with a friend in Yarmouth, Gwendoline was by then with Ronald, at the age of 14 he was on the 1911 register of the “Royal Asylum of St Anne’s Society in Redhill, Reigate page 7 & 5th down (in red pen 170). He  in fact left in Easter 1912 aged 15 yrs.

Harry was down as a Shipping Merchant and Lewis John as a Corn Merchant’s Agent..

On the 26th of November 1913  Ronald Jillings ( Bank Clerk age 16yrs) sailed from Liverpool on the S.S.Tunisian  ( Capt G. Harrison ) of the ‘Allan Line’ destination St Johns New Brunswick Canada where they arrived on the 5th November 1913. He was picked up by his Uncle

August 19th 1916 Ronald was killed in action he was 19 years old. Ronald reg No. 201828
Enlisted in the 52 Battalion of the Canadian Infantry on the 8th November 1815, his address at that time was 33 Gloucester Street Toronto Ontario

Dorothy Jillings of Bungay road Loddon Norfolk ( wife of Lewis John Jillings Died 24th January 1920 aged only 57. Having seen her first daughter ( Doris May )  married to Charles .L. Beaulieu in the first quarter of that year at Wangford  4a 1945.  Administration ( with will) London 28th April to Gwendoline  Jillings spinster ( her second daughter ) Effects £ 570 15s 9d

Lewis John was to follow the following year from the same address and on the 13th Feb 1921 – Probate London 3rd March to William Reginald Wentworth Pitts ?– Bank manager effects £268.12s.5d.

Gwendoline went on to marry a Mr Henry. M Cornish at Hackney in the second quarter of that year 1b 944

That is about all, except that if Ronald joined the same regiment as Cousin ( 4th Rifles ) then the bit I read about them having lost four Killed and two injured, on the date that Ronald died, on 'The Bluff' ( part of the Ypres front line) due to heavy artillery fire maybe included him.

All for now

Best john

[Westoe]

Hello John,

I'm glad you are pleased. So ... "Aunt" and "Uncle" Gayford were actually  distant cousins, no doubt given the courtesy titles because of the age/generation difference. I remember the same happening in my childhood - in those days, it just wasn't acceptable for children to address adults by their first names. The Jillings and Gayford families in Norfolk appear to have been very closely intertwined.

I didn't find Arthur and Edith in the 1901 Canadian census, so it would appear that they emigrated between 1901 and 1911. It also seems that they hadn't been in Toronto very long because in the 1911 Census they are in the north of Middlesex County, considerably to the west and north of Toronto. (If you are interested in checking the map, London, Ontario is the county seat for Middlesex and Goderich, Ontario is the county seat for Huron County which abuts M'sex to the north.)
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census11/View.jsp?id=98276&highlight=4&desc=1911+Census+of+Canada+page+containing+Edith+Gayford

Cheers,
Westoe

[John1935]

Hello Again Westoe

Yeah ! had all that 'little boys should be seen and not heard ' business years ago from prissy Aunt.
Well if nothing else, here is one who will remember Ronald Jennings on the 19th of August, so no they are NOT forgotten.
Have also another Canadian brave man, have had details from living family, so will fill you in on a pm

Best

John