Tammy married her daughter off - ELLINgTON Family

[John1935]

Thanks to Westoe

I now have further information on Thomasin's Stepbrother ( David Goodsir ), it now appears that after finishing his Apprenticeship, He then in May 1835 at the age of 19 years joined the Scarborough registered Brig of 148 tons called 'ALPHA' under the command of Captain R.W.Hill  as Cook/Mariner. In July 1835 she is shown as ' Inward on a voyage from Santander'. She is also noted in Lloyd's as having been built in 1800 with ' Thorough Repairs' in 1834.
During 1835 & 1836, she appears to have made two voyages from Yarmouth to Memel (now in Lithuania). David will have left her in May 1836, when he joined the 'Lochiel' as a Seaman for voyages to the Americas.
Note. This seems to have been the only missing link on his sea career, as he had missed this off his application for 'Master's' cert - not enough space ? But dates fit.

Best

John

[John1935]

Hello Westoe

Off subject, but while searching for John Tillman's grave in Sulina came across the following inscription : -                 Isabella Jane Robinson
                                    Beloved daughter of
                                    E.A. & E.D.S. Robinson
                                     of South Shields
                                      Age 23 yrs
could be what you might term 'Soggy bread' but though it should be entered as anyone up in the north searching - could have found this one hard to find, ( picked of a utube thingy !!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k872Dr4QZ38  an interesting site on Sulina.

Best

John

Oh yes and p.s. HAVE just found that Captain John was in fact Tammy & Peter's son, thanks to new info from Devon Heritage Services now on our old favourite FindMyPast.
More details later - am dragged screaming into the garden.

[John1935]

Here is a bit more

1811. Third son of Tammy and Peter TillmanJohn born on 6th Jan and baptised on the 30th Jan St Marys Lympstone.
This was only found out, after a very long search, as John Tillman on his application for Master's Certificate had Sunderland as his birth place ( though this had been entered by the Registrar in Dublin, John had himself entered the birth date but did not changed the place !)   Surprise! What too much administration and a couple of glasses of the good stuff can do – Durham  could find no register in Sunderland for his birth. It was not until Devon Heritage Service gave FindMyPast the relevant information – that was some two years after I first found and decided to follow up, that I was able to have the confirmation, to what I felt might be the case.

Help please, have mislaid details on the Death of Tammy Goodsir, in Feb 1834, buried in Holy Trinity Bishopwearmouth, and need the coding to get death cert from GRO. As the above Capt John's son John Tillman Jnr the Architect, did a lot of sanitary work in Sunderland, I wondered what had instigated this, I know his Aunt Thomasin had died of Typhus, and since Tammy  his Gran had died
age only 52yrs old - how ? And was this his driving force ?

Best

John

[Westoe]

Erm, John, ..... quick reply in haste as just passing through. Registrations of Deaths and Death Certificates didn't start until 1837, so no use for Tammy.

Cheers,
Westoe

[John1935]

Thanks Westoe

Forgot that, getting more senile by the day, or is it all this gardening, never mind will be eating own french beans this weekend.
Would nobody have recorded anything - ref Tammy ?

Best
John

[John1935]

Could anybody in Sunderland, tell me please, if either of these buildings still exist :

Royal Skating Rink, Egerton Road built in 1875 - might be telescoping but seem to remember falling over on there in the 1950's ?

New Covered Market Union Street built in 1880 .

Having found the certain connection with Tammy, (His Mother), am now looking with even more interest, to Captain John's sons - John Jnr and Thomas, who seem to have built a lot of Sunderland, including older part of your Museum, Grindon Hall, and a few others still standing,
and of course those mentioned above.

Best

John

[John1935]

So we eventually obtained the Log Book from ‘Royal Arch’, which explained some things, but still left the true cause of death unknown ( But at that epoch, how far had medicine managed to progress).

Among the interesting points, were :

John Tillman Jnr was written into the Logbook as Owner and Managing Agent of 5 Bridge Street Sunderland ( even before Capt John died ).

The Consul in Sulina, appointed the Mate Mr Walter Telford to take over command, until the ship reached Constantinopole, where a Captain James. B. Shield would take command for the ship’s voyage back to Ipswich in England.

From Consul entries the ship had arrives in Sulina on the 15th September, and sailed on the 16th October 1868

Thomas Sand, whose name appeared on a ‘Letter of recommendation’ give by John Jnr in 1876, was onboard ‘Royal Arch’ as one of the two Apprentices on this trip

[John1935]

Bit more on death of Capt. John

First entry in Logbook concerning Capt. John, was made by Walter Telford ( Mate) on the 2nd of Oct at 1.p.m and witnessed by the ship’s Boatswain H. S. Mordey

 “Captain came onboard and complained of cold” –

A day by day account of the Captain’s condition was entered by Mr Telford over the following days until Capt. John died at 7.30 p.m; on Sunday the 11th October ( in the presence of several Captains, among which were Captain W. Bassett  of the ‘Sea Foam’ of Sunderland & Captain John .A. Kerr of the ‘Ethel’).

It would appear that Capt John might have spent sometime between the 6th and 11th in the Sulina Hospital, due to a remark noted on the list of his belongings of certain clothing items   “ returned from wards”.

The Funeral cortege ( with ship’s crew and many Captains) started from the ship at 11 a.m on Tuesday 13th, and John was interned at 12 o’clock.

Cause of death was given as “ Marasmus Senilis” by the Doctor – which apparently means old age or “sorry we don’t know” ( which would be quite acceptable at that epoch).

Best

John

[John1935]

Hello Westoe

Glad to hear thing are getting better - and no I didn't look at the photos, I'll take you word for it.

Since now know for sure that the family of Captain John Tillman, are ours, have spent time following his children through,and there is one you might be able to help with ?

Background : John ( The Architect ), had a sister, who married a Turnbull ( wouldn't you believe it!)
they had a daughter, who they named Dorothy, she married a Lewis John Jillings.

The help needed is to find any info on their son

On the 26th of November 1913  Ronald Jillings ( Bank Clerk age 16yrs) sailed from Liverpool on the S.S.Tunisian  ( Capt G. Harrison ) of the ‘Allan Line’ destination St Johns New Brunswick Canada where they arrived on the 5th November 1913. He was picked up by his UNCLE ?
August 19th 1916 Ronald was killed in action he was 19 years old. Ronald reg No. 201828
Enlisted in the 52 Battalion of the Canadian Infantry on the 8th November 1815, his address at that time was 33 Gloucester Street Toronto Ontario.

Been very very hot last few days- excuse to use the computer!

Didn't I remember that amongst your names somewhere was a Richard Richardson, cause there was one on 'Royal Arch's maiden voyage - in 1868 he was 22years old and had signed on as Carpenter/AB, his previous ship was the J.B.ORDY, he had excellent handwriting.

Best

John