Tammy married her daughter off - ELLINgTON Family

[John1935]

Well got thru festivities in one piece, Happy New Year to all.

Still awaiting with baited breath to info from TNA but for the moment, this is what I have on Peter Tillman Ellington, thanks to Janey.
Peter we find on the 1861 census, he is married to Mary. E. Age 27 ,both born in Sunderland, with a son ? 9yr old John.G. Liddle (Leddle) - maybe Mary’s child from previous marriage. Civil Parish Chatham, Church Parish St John,  Reg.  district Medway, Sub district Rochester. Coleman Street (Nr Dock road ).
Peter had married Mary. E. Buskenn ( Bushence) on the 29th Oct 1860 at Minster (Sheppey) , Bachelor & Spinster, he being a Shipwright and she a Servant, both gave address as Sheerness, his father a Master Mariner, and hers John a Mariner. – A  very short married life if the ‘Invicta ‘ situation is true.
 Best

John

[John1935]

Hello Westoe
Hope all was very good - time on Monday to reclaim the table - rest the snow shovel - warm up your fingers on little green beastie.
Thought I would look to see what happened to 'Lavinia Thomasin Tillman Ellington Wilson's' children, but not wishing to do my usual and confuse everybody, I thought that since it concerned the name 'Wilson' ( and there are a lot of them) also that they were North of the Tyne I had better start a new post on Northumberland Forum - which I did " (www) or Where Went the Wilsons (of Chirton)" and very interesting and helpful it is.
Though some went to live in WESTOE - so I might yet be your long lost cousin ( big, big smile)

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John

[Westoe]

Happy New Year, John,

Yes, I've been following your www/Wilson thread.

Rest the snow shovel? Hah! I just finally got the car out today from Thursday night's blizzard and we have another one coming Monday night. Plus too cold to be standing outside with the beastie trying to pick up a signal (today I am at public library.) And anyway, the dining room table has been taken over by jigsaw puzzles. But ...  I've had some soggy bread come in today which opens up some new lines for me, and as always, I follow your research with keen interest. (Smile) If you do turn out to actually be my long-lost cousin umpteen times removed, my tipple is Lamb's Navy.

Cheers,
Westoe

[John1935]

Saw state of weather in US and hoped it wasn't coming your way - don't know what has happened with TNA, unless they have left sending till after Xmas Post.

Silence on other posting, so maybe I have ( or rather they have gone as far as is possible ) so maybe I will just get the jigsaws out !! (this searching business is a bit like that anyway).

Keep warm, keep safe, and ease up on the shovel.

Best

John

[John1935]

Uhm - received the 'Invicta' crew list at last - Hats off to backroom staff of TNA, who stated - usual time to do that work -14 days, but did it in 12. Posted on trhe 18th Dec 2013, it arrived today, 7th Jan 2014 - oh! for the days of the 'Penny Black Stamp' Another thing to be put down to progress in this fast moving world !

Well worth waiting for (in a way), except that due to three different official rubber stamps ( one each for Sept, Oct and december 1867, it would appear to confirm that all were lost.

However, what it does tell me, is that Peter's previous ship was the ' Pride of the Wear' ( His eldest brother Henry George Ellington was master on her at the time), she was on the Med run, the two of them left in August 1867. Henry George became master of the 'Golden Spring' O.No. 12771, again running Med & F.P.S. , while on the 21st Sept ( according to the crew list, and not 24th as later stated) Peter signed on the 'Invicta', as Carpenter/AB.

Now - your view please Westoe - 'Carpenter/AB' seems strange, could he be a supernumery, like our David was?

Off the subject - I am starting to think that all 'Penny dreadfuls' were written by ' Ancestor hunters' who couldn't find answers !

Best

John

[Westoe]

Hello John,

How many crew on INVICTA and how are they ranked? For Peter, are the ranks 'Carpenter' and 'AB' obviously written by the same hand, at the same time? or did someone just not show up and he was asked to do double duty. What was his rate of pay compared to the other AB-s? Possibly INVICTA was such an old banger, she'd need two carpenters. Sorry I can't do better. It's hard to give a good answer without seeing the actual document.

Cheers,
Westoe

(3 degrees F at noon hour today and high winds)

[John1935]

Hello Westoe

old banger!! OLD BANGER !!!  Tut tut - she was brand new on maiden voyage !! crew shows as Master - Mate - Boatswain - Carpenter/AB - Cook - 5 ABs - 2 Apprentices.

Bosun wage £3.10 - Peter's wage £4.10

Problem is they sent the full size sheet, so can't reduce it, but will try to photo it, but first attempt unreadable print too small.

Deeper investigation today -as new to me - 1950/70 Eng 2 -OK.

Best

John

Hope weather clears for you, we are hoping it doesn't come this way !!!

[John1935]

Knowing ( with experience of searching for names like Wood and Wilson) that this is not easy the name of Brown could be worse, so anybody searching for an Alexander Brown born 1835,at Sunderland, who was a Master Mariner cert No. 21262 - his address in 1867 was 15, Anderson Street Sunderland, He was master of the 'Invicta', which was lost with all hands on 24th Sept 1867,he had joined the ship on 19th Sept and previous to that was Master of the 'Morning Star' - which he left in Aug 1867 at Gloster.

On a previous post I had given a list of crew members of the 'Invicta', if anyone is searching a relative ( with any of those names) please contact me on PM and I can fill in a few details.

Best

John

[John1935]

Hello Westoe

Can't get much more out of Crews list on Peter, except that he had made an allotment of £ 2.50
out of his monthly wage , but to who it doesn't say, just under is written what appears to be 2 masafter and under that - take, otherwise apart from the fact that his signature is a bit wobbly and he was two years volunteer with the Navy ( which fits in with what I had for him in 1860-62).
Best

John