Tammy married her daughter off - ELLINgTON Family

[John1935]

Hello Westoe

Glad to see you back, even if still staggering a bit ? To answer your Question - well, there is a lady 'down under' ( as we say ) who has researched the Sunderland Tillmans before and was able to give me the info on John's death and ship he was on, the rest came from searching 'clip', where I found that up to a 1876 entry John Tillman Jnr was sole owner, then there was also a letter for sale on 'thebay' from John Jnr in giving a recommendation for an Apprentice "who had served on both their ships" - 'The Lady of The Lake' and 'Royal Arch' - if they had others  - I don't yet Know.

Best

John

[Westoe]

That's perfectly splendid, John! A great step forward.

Cheers,
Westoe

[Westoe]

P.S. John,

The thought occurs. Is there significance in the name ROYAL ARCH? Since John Tillman was her sole and first owner, would he not have had some say in the naming of her? Is that perhaps a clue that he was a member of a Masonic lodge? His son John definitely was.

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ZjHcM_LXhjEC&pg=PA314&lpg=PA314&dq=masonic+Sunderland+Tillman&source=bl&ots=kUsR_lh9IX&sig=jjExxHqLoI9W99IPsjyboiolFKA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=wu6cUpoS5qjIAbfCgMgI&ved=0CEAQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=masonic%20Sunderland%20Tillman&f=false

Cheers,
Westoe

[John1935]

Hello Westoe

Third attempt, other two having failed.
 Could be right, on Masons or Son might have put up the money, and so allowed to name it ? (As he carried on the two ships after Father died).

Change of subject -Thomas Ellington - he is down as being on 'The City of Rotterdam' in 1853.
Problem - there are two possibles -
A Schooner - Iron bolts built and registered at Yarmouth in 1852  - 93 Tons - Coaster A1 Owner Greenwood No. 6237, this might be the one I would put my money on ( As it is not on a
bus run as is the second) - only problem with this is Thomas was a Carpenter, and would a ship of this size  carry a 'Chippy' ?

Other is this :

City of Rotterdam
 
Built by: Ditchburn & Mare, Blackwall
Yard No. 
Launched: 1845
Tonnage: 156 8/10
Length: 108 5/10 feet
Breadth: 22 feet
Depth: 11 1/10 feet
Machinery: 30h.p. by Maudslay. 90 ihp. Propelled by steam with an engine room 12 5/10 feet in length and weighed 37 tons.
Decks: 1 1/4 decks.
Built of: Iron.
Type: Schooner rigged.
Registered: 2nd April 1846, Number 94 in London.
Other info: Had 3 masts.
Shield figure head.
Certificate granted on 26th March 1846 Number 99.
Crew 12 men
Official No. 92.
History: 1846. Built for ‘The London, Rotterdam & Harlinger Steam Schooner Shipping Company owned by James Laming, William Margetson and John Margetson of Mark Lane, London.
1845. London to Rotterdam service.
1845, Stephen Cook, Master.
19th July 1846. Sailed from Gravesend for Rotterdam.
21st September 1846. Entered inwards at Custom House from Rotterdam. Entered outwards for loading same day for Rotterdam.

This is of course before The 'Travancore' and the 'Pembroke

Without getting out of bed, what thinks you ?

Best

John

[Westoe]

Hello John,

Erm ... I'd have to give that some thought. Have you already knocked out of the running this one?

                 124 ton CITY OF ROTTERDAM, ON 2735, registered Sunderland.


On another subject, any interest in having a crewlist of DAGMAR of Liverpool, dated 26 November, 1880, with 64 year old David Goodsir aboard as AB, previous ship ARCADIA? No? hmmn, pity.

Wickedly Smiling Westoe

P.S. On my way to dr's appt. Will send it to you when I get back.

[John1935]

Oh dear! Westoe

You have got me rewriting everything again - must be a strange story ref David then - eagerly awaiting. Will reciprocate, when the expensive 'Invicta' crew list arrives.

You are sounding better - re your p.s. at least you are confident - of coming back from the Doctor!

 Best

John

[Westoe]

Finally!!! John,

I've been waiting for you to come back online and see that last message before writing again - thinking of you drooling and pawing the ground in impatient anticipation (grin).

Go here:     http://www.mun.ca/mha/1881/crewfindingaid1881.php

Click on "New Search"

Enter "Goodsir" in "Last Name" box and "Submit Query"

Click on "Form View" in last line of DAGMAR entry and hey! presto! 9 images chockful of interesting stuff.

Was Harry Fitzgerald Goodsir any connexion?

Regards,
Westoe



 

[Westoe]

Well, what do you make of it, John? Working his way home after finishing up the paperwork resulting from loss of ARCADIA?

The men would have been discharged as soon as the vessel was deemed to be a constructive loss, but the master would have had to hang around until whatever was salvaged could be liquidated and the insurance claim filed. And then perhaps he didn't have enough money left to pay for a passenger passage home so had to work his way home. Or perhaps he'd been injured when ARCADIA was lost and had to wait until recovered to try to get home. That would have depleted his funds.

Remind me again what date ARCADIA burned to the waterline. David signed on to DAGMAR 17 December 1880,  ratified 22 February 1881 by British Vice-Consul in Pensacola (is that Florida, USA?), discharged 2 May 1881 in Shields. And you've got two signature samples for him.

Plus all those samples of other forms of the day like "Transmission of Seaman's Wages" - yes, all in all, a nice serendipitous find. D'ye blame me for wanting to crow a bit?

Cheers,
Westoe

[John1935]

Uhm!!!!

Stop crowing! - he was just taking a paid holiday in Florida He! He!

In fact there was one crewman who didn't turn, another who deserted, -ship left Shields  26th Nov 1880, he joined on 17th December 1880 at Plymouth, but wasn't officially signed on until they got to the Consul in Pensacola - they were there for a month, so he was either lolling about on the beach, or spending his insurance money in the nightclubs etc. ?

Feb 1873 Arcadia reported burn to waterline - true that Mate and crew were picked up by the'Rhone' and dropped into Liverpool. No sign of when David went home, but his navigation wasn't so bad that he went from Spain to Plymouth to Florida to get to South Shields - even I know that!!!

But a big thank you for that info.

Best

John