Tammy married her daughter off - ELLINgTON Family

[crimea1854]

John

HMS Pembroke was originally launched in 1812, and following her conversion to steam saw active service during the Crimean War as part of the Baltic Fleet. In 1861 she was the HQ vessel for the Harwich Coastguard District.

Martin

[John1935]

Hello Janey
Happy to hear from you again, and many thanks for the info, both on Pembroke and Tudor Prince.
I got the Pembroke from FindMyPast, but you only get the sheet of the person you ask for - so to get all the sheets, would have cost rather a lot, and at that point I had no idea how many there were.
1873  Hulks & Establishments.

HMS PEMBROKE, Originally built in 1812 as a 74 gun, she was rebuilt at Portsmouth as a 60 gun steam block ship in 1854-55 and later reduced to 25 guns.

Based at Harwich as a Coastguard depot ship in 1860, she later removed to Sheerness, where she was Flag Ship for the Nore, and then to Chatham in 1873 where she took over duties as Receiving Ship for the Nore Command, and carried the flag of the Admiral Superintendent. At some time during this period it must be assumed that she was hulked. See below for 30 April 1903 for the details regarding the transfer to the RN Barracks Chatham.
Calkers’ Mates pay = £2- 11s- 8p per month  -   £ 30 – 8s – 4p    Per annum
Source: Navy List 1860, Page 224
Caulkers and Caulkers' Mates to be allowed Tool money at the Rate of 3d a day, in addition to their pay, if employed in Carpenter's Crews and in possession of Tools.
The above is borrowed from the very excellent site below, which gives all anyone needs to know about the Royal Navy, and must have taken a lot of dedicated work to put together.
http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html 

In my dotage, I hadn't thought of your efficient idea, that you used on finding info on Tudor Prince
really very good, sure will be able to use that system to advantage also another time.

Still no sign of Mabel Ellington (nee JOPLIN ) maybe she just went back to Sunderland and opened a Department Store !

Thanks very much again Janey

Best

John

[John1935]

Thanks Martin
Had just found the excellent site on All Navy info, this afternoon - bit of a coincidence, being in Baltic fleet as HMS Conway ( ex HMS Nile ) was also involved.

Best

John

[John1935]

Hello again Westoe
Well, us old salts, don't know nuffing technical about gardening you see, so only allowes to dig, mow lawns, trim branches, and carry out other instructions as given by wife - so you are rather privileged - feel happy!

That cold already where you are, and storm windows - sounds more like the far north !

You where about correct with Pembroke, the site I put on Janey's post, is well worth a look at - nearest I got to Navy, was RNR, when on 'Conway'.

Oh all right! I will try and get up to the North East next year, with Luck !


Best

John

[Westoe]

You where about correct with Pembroke, the site I put on Janey's post, is well worth a look at - nearest I got to Navy, was RNR, when on 'Conway'.

Yes, I know it well. Paul is one of the stalwarts of the Mariners List and is the go-to man for anything RN.

Cheers,
Westoe

[John1935]

Uhm !
 Appear to have found Peter Ellington, last of Thomasin's children - if it is he, then he was on the 'Invicta' 58087 reg Sunderland, when it was lost with all hands (12) on 24 th Dec 1867.
Like his elder brother Thomas, he was also a Carpenter.  BT 153.

Have searched but can find no further info on the ship or where and in what circumstances it was lost.

Best

John

[Drosybont]

It looks to me as though the loss of the Invicta of Sunderland may have been a bit earlier in 1867, late September, unless there was another similar incident the same year.  There are several newspaper reports about it, eg Shields Daily Gazette on 30 September 1867 reports finding one of the ship's boats and later gives more details including full list of crew with addresses.  It's on the British Newspaper Archive site.

Drosybont

[Westoe]

Hello John,

Hmmm. Perhaps there were some survivors, picked up some days later and that news did not make the newspapers. Either that, or there were two vessels, both named INVICTA of Sunderland afloat in the fall of 1867. Or ... the source below got it wrong. (Smile) Before taking your pick, I would compare the list of names in the Shields Gazette (which, apologies, I am not able to check, not having a subscription) to the list in BT 153.

I'm sending you an image by email from the January 1868 edition of The Shipwrecked Mariner (quarterly magazine) showing GBP 24 paid out in relief to seamen of that vessel.

Cheers,
Westoe

[Westoe]

Hello again, John,

From TNA catalogue:
    Registers of wages and effects of deceased seamen are in BT 153-BT 155.
    Registers of seamen's deaths are in BT 156-BT 157.
   

I have to hand the whole of the file BT 154/6 which is:
 Indexes to [deceased] seamen's names: C - E
 01 February 1866 - 31 December 1867

The *only* Ellington listed in 1867, is a P. Ellington in Dec. 1867, which *might* be your lad or not. To be sure you would need to download the companion file that names the vessels - I think it will also be GBP 3.36 by credit card. Can't tell you the exact number right now. Don't do anything yet until I have time to go through my memory sticks. I may already have bought that file.

Cheers,
Westoe