Tammy married her daughter off - ELLINgTON Family

[John1935]

More on Captain John and how He arrived in Sunderland!

Born on the 6th Jan 1811, John to Peter & Tammy Tillman, he was baptised in St Marys Church Lympstone on the 30th Jan.[/i]To avoid confusion  ( his son was also named John), we will refer to him as Capt John- the reason for this you will soon see.

His childhood must for him been somewhat confusing, at the tender age of five and a half yrs, his father died. It appears at this time, he with his mother Tammy, elder sister Thomasin then 13yrs and brother George 11yrs, moved into Exmouth. His next big moment, would be either when George left for London (to become Apprentice Carriage Lamp Maker) or when Sister married (1821) and went to live far away in Sunderland. All this followed by Mother getting married to a sea Captain the next year, and off the three of them went to Scarborough, where he would live with the sea Captain’s five children –“ strange life “ he must have thought ! Even this was not for long, as in 1825 he joined his first ship the ‘ Fenwick’ as an Apprentice, at Sunderland.
Not surprising then , when in Dublin twenty-six years and many sea miles later, when the Registrar wrote in birthplace Sunderland, (John never corrected it). Further on Masters certificates, is the fact that in the 1850’s ‘the powers that be’ had decided that all must have certs ( To prove they could do the job, even though they had been doing it for many years !!!!)   John.T age 40 at the time had already been at sea for 26 yrs, if he was one of ours I know how he felt!!   - The claim for his certificate of service, was made in Dublin ( over a Guinness ? ) from actual Lloyds records ships are correct, but dates very roughly, When & where born someone (the Registar) has put in Sunderland  - In John’s handwriting is  6th Jan 1811.

Apart from his sea career, I cannot find many personal details on Capt. John, but the first hint that there might be a family contact was when I came across the following, pointing out that Tammy’s daughter Thomasin was a Witness to John’s marriage (Tammy herself having died in the Feb of that year)

Record No. 367921.1                   Location.  Monkwearmouth        Church.  St Peter

10 th May 1834 John Tillman (Bachelor), of this parish married Margaret Tullick(Spinster) of this Parish  - Witnesses : THOMASIN ELLINGTON & Thomas Allen

 However  it was not for another two years that I eventually found the truth.

Best

John

[John1935]

Am now searching for a Duncan Wilson ( again ) - he might have been badly injured in WW1 and had face surgery, but his discharge ( if it was him - age about right and could have been in the 11th Durham Light reg 12410)  from hospital does not show any address.

All I have for certain on him is this :

Louisa The youngest daughter on the 14th July 1880 at the Herrington Street
Wesleyan Chapel married the Rev Alan Wilson of Middleton - it was stated that she was
the daughter of the Late John Tillman Master Mariner and Ship owner.

      S/land echo 7th March 1890 – Died suddenly – Madge age 7 only daughter of
      Louisa(Tillman) & Rev Wilson at Middleton Nr Morpeth.

      Later that same year Louisa died, aged only 45 years.

Leaving Alan with a very young Duncan born in 1884 in Hartburn Morpeth Northumberland to bring up – their only remaining child.
Not a lot of info on Louisa, so followed Duncan through to 1901, where age 17yrs, he was
still living at home with father ( The retired Rev. ) at 13 Sanderson Road  Jesmond  Newcastle
on Tyne and working as a clerk for the Liberal Ass. Looks also as though Alan had remarried 
in 1900( to his servant ) Mary, and they had a boy called Allan.
All were still in the same 8 roomed house in 1911, The Rev age 67 , Mary 50, Duncan 27,
unmarried and working as a Warehouseman ( Ships Stores )
1912 At St Andrews cemetery  Jesmond – Gravestones Page 180
Erected by Duncan Wilson “In loving memory of my dear Father Revd. Alan Wilson, died 19th April 1912, aged 69 – 27 yrs Presbyterian Minister North Middleton”.
Probate Calendar
Allan Wilson of 8 St Georges terrace jesmond Northumberland died 19 April 1912 Newcastle Upon Tyne. Administration Newcastle Upon Tyne  to Mary Wilson, widow
Effects £2984 11s
Seems rather a lot for a Reverent ! or maybe could have been part of Louisa's Dowry.

Best

John

p.s Have already tried on here for Duncan, but am really blocked on- if it was him in Hospital,- Queen's Hospital Sidcup, the Doctor Archivist at the hospital would also like to Know.

[John1935]

Tried for Duncan on Northumberland forum under ' Another lost Wilson' but since he might have been with The Durham Light Inf - thought would try here, just in case.

Last on Hospital Report reads:  28.4.21 Discharged to Home.

But where was home, I suppose if he went back to Jesmond, step mother & Brother might show if an Electoral roll existed for 1921? but he would not show till 1922 ?

Best

John

[John1935]

Hello Westoe
Thanks for the info re Madge and Louisa, and yes would like info from the 'Echo' on Louisa's death, being John's younger sister have gone back to this post.

Still tied down with other duties, so unable to do much in the way of research re 'Duncan', feel would have to find out first if it was he who went to war and was so badly injured - but HOW ?

Best

John

[Westoe]

Hello John,

Newspaper notices sent by email.

Re Duncan - a few thoughts occur.

1) Sending for the birth certificate will tell you if you have the *right* Duncan Wilson. However, it is my understanding, (and you will have to check with other RootsChatters about this because I have no personal experience) that you can specify that you want the certificate *only* if the parents' names are Louisa and Allan. If it is the *wrong* DW, they will refund your fee and not send you anything.

2) Was DW perhaps a member of the British Legion? Here in Canada, the Royal Canadian Legion magazine "The Last Post" certainly used to be, perhaps still is, searchable online. If he was a member, there should be an obit there, and likely with more information than a death notice in the newspaper. Try the various local Legion branches as well. Who knows? - you may luck out with a photo!

3) Put this on your list against your possible research visit to the NE.  The *possible* DW died 1977 - that's almost 60 years on from the Armistice. Here anyway, from 1970 on, the local newspapers in Remembrance Day articles made mention of as many local surviving WWI veterans as they could. You may find him in the local newspaper files at the local public libraries.

Cheers,
Westoe

[John1935]

Hello Westoe

Yes will try those ideas.

Can anybody tell me, please, when electoral rolls restarted after the First World War? As still think this might be the only way of filling in the long gap in Duncan's life and  also where I might find them.

Best

John

[John1935]

Thought I would look for our Duncan Wilson, amongst those lost at sea in WWI.

But wasn't our Duncan, this lad came from Lieth - lived at 207 Easter Road - was born 1884 in Edinburgh  and was a Cook on the 'Warsaw', when she was torpedoed on the 20th December 1917 - he was supposed drowned at sea.

In case anyone is searching him.

Best

John

[John1935]

Morning Westoe

The young Duncan who had been wounded in the face and was getting treatment at Queens Hospital, have now been given proof that he was not our Duncan :-

Hamilton Advertiser 29.09.1917

"War Honour,- Mr W.H.Wilson of Tedshill, Strathaven, has received word that his son, Private Duncan Wilson, Durham L.I. has been awarded the Military Medal. His commanding Officer congratulated him, saying " It is the opinion of the Colonel and myself that you have done more than could be expected of any runner, and you have been decorated with the Military Medal, which you thoroughly deserve"
Pte Wilson joined the Army on the 10th August 1914, and was wounded on the16th September 1916 ( The second day of the Tanks ). He has now been wounded a second time, August 22nd 1917 - gunshot wound in the face and part of his jaw blown away. His father, who has been receiving word daily from the Matron, has just been advised that he is now out of danger.
His younger brother was wounded in July, and is now convalescent. He is in the Scottish Rifles."

We do know that Duncan had many operations and in fact did not leave Hospital until the 28th April 1921.

If his family should read this, please get in touch by P.M. as I can let them have further personal info

Best

John

[Westoe]

Hello John,

Good work! Even negative information can be useful. This makes that DW born 19 Dec. 1883, died 1977 look even more probable. A bit more follows by PM.

Cheers,
Westoe