Could this be the right Richard?

[deeerdre]

Hi Anna,
Yes - Ellen was my great-grand-mother (born 1855) and fairly sure in Skibbereen as that's where she married David Grace.  I'm saying fairly sure.  I live in France and have free phoning for landlines in Europe and North America.  I need your email address to send things on.
Is it possible that Richard (son) died young???
Deirdre

[annafitznorris]

Hi Deirdre
Oh super......
Yes I think there was another Richard who died young.
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Talk soon
Anna

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[annafitznorris]

Hi Folks
I am still trying to trace back my Great Uncle Richard Fitzgerald, born 10-04-1875, in Lisbealad, Dunmanway,Co.Cork.
I know that he lived and married in England.
I found a Richard Fitzgerald in the 1901 Census. He was 27 years of age. The Civil parish was Islington and the Ecclesiastical Parish was St. Stephen.
That Richard's wife was Susan Clark and they married in 1898 in Shoreditch.
If I manage to get a marriage cert or copy of same, will that give me the names of Richard's parent's as that is the only way I can be 100% sure that he is the Guy I am looking for.
Thanks a million
Anna

[crisane]

This is the marriage on FreeBMD with the details you will need to order the certificate from here
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp

Marriages Jun 1898   
Susan Clarke Claridge   
Richard Fitzgerald       
Shoreditch vol  1c page 306   

Note that Susan's surname is actually Claridge

The certificate will give you Richard's father's name and occupation (if known and if correct info given   No mother's details.

[annafitznorris]

Hi Crisane
Thanks a million for that.
Oh yes, I had scribbled down the Wife's name as Clark.
I will look at ordering that Cert in the morning.
I also saw in The Selected Poor Law Removal and Settlement Records 1828-1930 that there was a Richard Fitzgerald mentioned 03-February 1904.
Reference SHBG/127/026
Could that be the Richard I am looking for, perhaps there is personal information on him in that article but I was unable to read it properly. At the top of the article it mentions Parish of Saint Matthew, Bethnal Green.
Anyway thank you so much
Anna

[crisane]

Hi
The Richard Fitzgerald in The Selected Poor Law Removal and Settlement Records 1828-1930 is  stated as being born in Bromley. He is recorded as a lunatic pauper, whose mother Mary is in the workhouse. Bethnal green lunatic asylum is asking for money to cover expenses for his keep. Another article gives the addresses he has lived at prior to 1899.
I think all four records refer to the same man.

[annafitznorris]

Hi Crisane,
That is very helpful.
I know that this is not a very scientific judgment but the Richard I found in the 1901 Census, Registration District Islington, was married to a Lady from Bethnal Green. Also in the 1911 Census she lived in St. Luke with her daughter, and there was no mention of Richard. Then I thought when I saw him mentioned in that article that explained why he was not living with the Family any more.
O.K., I will try and order some kind of marriage record today and establish Richard's Father's name.
Fingers crossed because there are very few of that name, with matching date of birth ( April 1875) and born in Cork to be found in the Census in England.
Thanks a million for your help, I do appreciate it so much
Anna

[crisane]

I've been looking around at all the censuses and records to see if I came up with anything else but no.
Observations,
The Richard in the lunatic asylum has poor house records starting in 1891, born c1876 Bromley with a father Richard deceased, records in 1904 again claiming monies for his upkeep, mother Mary in workhouse so not the one who marries Susan Clarke Claridge in 1898.

Susan in 1911 says married but like you can't find Richard and can't see a suitable death. Of course she and Richard could have parted company and she is saying married to keep up appearances. This could be Susan's death, area is good and the age matches up with date of birth. Not that it helps in finding Richard
Deaths Jun 1/4 1944 
Susan C Fitzgerald age 69    Islington    1b/227

The Richard with Susan in 1901 is not the Richard born Waterford and a sheep dealer in Middlesex 1901 (and single) who is in Lancashire in 1911 with wife Margaret still a cattle and sheep dealer.

When ordering a certificate you could specify that the groom's father has to be Richard (if you are certain of that).

[annafitznorris]

Hi Crisane
You have loads of information there.
This Richard is a puzzle o.k.
I am certain that Richard was born in  West Cork in April 1875.
For sure also is the fact that his parents were Richard Fitzgerald and Mary Grace who married in Drimoleague Co Cork in 1861.
I did rush in when I saw the Poor Law Removal and Settlement Records.....I was most interested in what you had to say on those.
I will keep trying.
Thanks a million
Anna