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Could this be the right Richard?
« on: Thursday 30 May 13 01:02 BST (UK) »
Hi
My Great uncle Richard Fitzgerald was born in West Cork, in Dunmanway in 1875.
I believe he married in England, I as yet don't know who he married.
 His parents were Richard Fitzgerald and Mary Grace.
In the 1901 census I found a Richard Fitzgerald, Cattle Salesman, aged 26 years in Lancashire .
He was born in Ireland in 1875!!
Have I any way of knowing for sure that they are the same Richards?
Thanks a lot
Anna

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Re: Could this be the right Richard?
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 30 May 13 01:38 BST (UK) »
On the 1901 census RG13 Piece 3445 Folio 38 Page 16  there is also an Ileen (Eileen?) Fitzgerald
age  23, blind from birth) a visitor born Ireland. Both she and Richard are single. Could they be brother and sister.  The wife of the head of household is also from Ireland.


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Re: Could this be the right Richard?
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 30 May 13 01:46 BST (UK) »
You need to look at the 1911 census :)

This may be this Richard's marriage. Whether he is yours or not only the certificate with his father's details would tell you.
Marriages Sep 1/4 1905   
Richard Fitzgerald       
Margaret Toole       
Rochdale    8e/155

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Re: Could this be the right Richard?
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 30 May 13 07:58 BST (UK) »
Hi Crisane
Thank you so much for all replies.
That one where you mention a possible sister......well Richard did have a step sister Ellen.
She was born in 1855 to Richard Fitzgerald and Richard's first wife Ann Mahony.
Now she would have been 46 in 1901. Also I got the various certs for her, she married in Ireland.

The Richard I am searching for was born in Lisbealad, Dunmanway Co Cork. (13-04-1875)
Thanks again
Anna




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Re: Could this be the right Richard?
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 01 June 13 14:11 BST (UK) »
Hi Anna,
I'm Deirdre and have just been in contact with your friend, Mary, from Rathmore about the Grace-Fitzgerald connection.  My grandfather was Gerald Grace, youngest son (7 siblings) of david Grace and Ellen Fitzgerald.  I don't have much on the Fitzgeralds but I know that the 2nd youngest sibling was Richard (Dick) who became a teacher and moved to East Anglia.  Just saw a Richard Fitzgerald living in Lisbealad on the 1901 census - 94 years old, "widower" and living with 3 young adult children of his.  Could that be Ellen's father who married twice???

Deirdre

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Re: Could this be the right Richard?
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 01 June 13 15:26 BST (UK) »
Hi Deirdre,
Thank you so much for that.
Yes that Richard on the 1901 Census is my Great grandfather and the three children are from his second marriage, which was to Mary Grace in 1861.
Ellen was from his first marriage to Anne Mahony.
I am very interested in that Dick that you mentioned.
I am trying to contact as many descendants of my Great Aunts and Uncles as possible as we are having a Fitzgerald Clan Gathering in Skibbereen in September!
The Matthew on that Census is my Grandfather, and I have been in touch with descendants of Julia and Mary.
If you have any idea of contact details for descendants of Dick I would love to hear from you.
Thanks again Deirdre
Anna

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Re: Could this be the right Richard?
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 01 June 13 15:31 BST (UK) »
Hi Anna,
I've got a subscription to Ancestry.com and have found lots of relations but Dick is a tough cookie to pin down.  A cousin of mine says he ended up as a teacher in East Anglia in the U.K.- that's it.  Just came across a Richard Fitzgerald on the 1901 census in Islington married to a Susan with a daughter Hannah - I presume you have that record (if it's the right man (Richard's son - born 1875).  If you hneed it, just tell me.
Deirdre

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Re: Could this be the right Richard?
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 01 June 13 15:56 BST (UK) »
Hi Deirdre
This is great!
I suppose we are talking about the same Ellen......born 1855, Godparents were John Fitzgerald, and Jude Sullivan.
So Ellen and David are your Great grandparents....yes.
( How can I fill you in on Skibbereen?)
Where are you living?
I would love it if you could forward me the info on that Richard ( 13-04-1875), son of my Great grandfather.
I am moving on now to research Mortimer ( 26 August 1849) Schull East
and John 15-08-1857.....Lisbealad.
Thanks
Anna

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Re: Could this be the right Richard?
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 01 June 13 16:06 BST (UK) »
Hi again Anna,
Yes, Ellen was born in 1855 - I have the impression it was in Skibbereen as she married David <GGrace there in 1873 (I think).