JANE LEVELY of Burnt River, Ontario

[lilybell]

Sounds like it was a convent. Perhaps she was working there or was a resident.

Lilybell

[LizzyFaire]

Yes, lilybell, the congregation of Notre Dame of Montreal (if this is where she lived) was an enormous community of non-cloistered sisters, teachers, missionaries and yes, I suppose, scrub-women and what have you.

[LizzyFaire]

Hello, I've come up with another wrinkle to this convoluted tale. I have found a death record on familysearch for a May Brondi (b. 25 Dec 1883; d. 08 Oct 1928). Parents: Charlie Latamor and "Lovely". Husband: Frank Brondi of Brantford, ON. Could this be my ggrandmother, Bertha May Latimer? The birth date is wrong, of course. But my instincts are leading me this way. I don't know what to think anymore.

[Jacquie in Canada]

There is a marriage in 1923 for Charles Quibell, son of Alfred Quibell and Bertha May Latimer in Norfolk County, Ontario which has Bertha M. Brondi as a witness so definitely don't discount that death.

Now I am officially confused again. In checking the Canadian voters lists at Ancestry, there is a Frank and Bertha Brondi living in Brantford on the 1953 and 1957 voters lists. Is it possible Frank married another woman named Bertha?

Jacquie

[LizzyFaire]

I talked to my father last night, Jacquie, and when I mentioned the name Brondi, he said, "Brondi? Frank Brondi?". Well, it seems I mentioned a name that he hadn't though of in years. It seems Bertha passed away sometime after 1957, yes, so who knows who that May Brondi who died in 1928 could be? My father said Bertha went by many, many names during her lifetime.

I really appreciate your help on this, Jacquie!

L.

[Jacquie in Canada]

Wild hypothesis here. The 1928 death registration said the cause of death was a car accident. Maybe they thought Bertha was in the car, registered her death and then found out it was someone else later?   

Would you be able to order microfilm for the Brantford Expositor from your local library? Since it was a car accident with an apparent fatality there could be a write-up to explain what happened. If not, the Brantford Library might look it up but they charge to do that.

Jacquie

[cosmac]

The Ontario Cemetery Finding Aid (OCFA) shows a Frank Brondi, MARY Brondi and Raymond Brondi all buried in Mt. Hope Brantford Cemetery.

Brantford Public Library has a genealogy section (fee involved) and an obituary or death notice exists for Frank in 1980.  Raymond F. Brondi also died in 1980 - Raymond and his wife Hilda seemed to be living in the same household as Frank and his wife on at least one voters list.

Frank Brondi crossed the border in 1937 at Niagara Falls listed as married.

I would think that if a death registration had been entered in error that a correction would have been added at a later date?

Is your father sure that his grandmother died after 1957 or was he thinking of Frank's death date?

[valeriec]

I found the Attestaton papers for 2 sons of Bertha Quibell at
www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/index-e.html
under Soldiers of the First World War

Charles Edward Quibell
Regimental #763862
122nd Battalion
address on enlistment, South River, Ontario
b. July 15, 1899 Caddillac, USA
Next of Kin - Bertha Quibell, mother, South River, Ontario
enlisted March 1, 1917 at Galt, Ontario

Lewis Quibell, Regimental #724235
residence - Gooderham, Ontario
b. 3 January 1899, Michigan, USA
NOK - Mrs. Bertha Pearson
Portaville, Ontario
enlisted April 8, 1916, Gooderham, Ontario, age 17

second Attestation Papers for the same person using different forename
Lawrance Danamber Quibell, Regimental #1087312
residence - Lindsay, Ontario
b. 3 January 1899, Park Lake, Michigan
NOK - Bertha Quibell, South River, Ontario, Mother
he had spent 11 months in the 109th Battalion, Kingston and had been discharged for Heart trouble, re-enlisted April 7, 1917 Lindsay, Ontario

Interesting that his NOK in 1916 used surname Pearson and in 1917 using Quibell

I think it is entirely possible that the Bertha M. Brondi who was the witness at the wedding of Charles Quibell could in fact be his mother Bertha M. Quibell.

Perhaps when the 1921 census is available, some more questions may be answered. 

It was not unusual for men enlisting to lie about their age as if considered too young or old they would be rejected. Also, women would tend to lie about their age as they grew older as well. Most would use the month and day of birth but the years would very greatly.

[lilybell]

Good morning

First off the birth date for Charles is wrong as the attestation papers indicate birth year is 1899
for Charles Edward and Lewis/Laurence. True it looks like Lewis lied about his age to  sign up as one record indicates age 18 on one and 17 on the other.

Ran across the following for Charles Edward Quibell.

Family Tree-Ed Quibell's Family Tree Website-MyHeritage
www. heritage,com/site-family-tree..../ed-quibells-family-tree?....2.... Key in Charles Edward Quibell in on the top white box.

Looks like  Charles was born in 1901.



Lilybell