Marriage Look-up please - Shanahan and Ryan

[darz]

Hi,

Wondering if anyone could help with some details for the marriage of
Thomas Shanahan and Ellen Ryan in Kilcommon, Tipperary?

I have been told they were married on 25.11.1879. I am trying to find out the names of Ellen's parents - a stretch I know. If anyone has any information or could assist in anyway, I would be forever grateful. I have been hitting my head against this brick wall for some time now and really don't know which way to turn.

Thanks in advance.

Darz

[aghadowey]

Irish marriage certificates only list fathers' names and occupations (mothers are never listed)- do you need the refeneces to order the marriage certificate?

[heywood]

Hello,

Family Search has a marriage where both those names are on the same page:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FYQ5-HZ4

You could send for the certificate.

regards
heywood

[darz]

Thanks for the links. I guess I will order the certificate and hope for the best. Thomas and Ellen came to Australia and even on the death register here there is no mention of Ellen's parents names. I believe Thomas' parents were John Shanahan and Margret Obrien/brien/brian.

[Bikerchick64]

I have found this site to be very helpful, albeit a bit expensive.  You have a lot of information, so you should be able to narrow it down to one or two choices.  www.rootsireland.ie is a great site to search all of the counties of Ireland, except for three as they have not yet put their records online.  What you will find is an image of the church and/or civil marriage register - not the REAL one, mind you, but one that lists as much information as they can give without issuing a real certificate.  A tip: if you cannot find your marriage by clicking on the county, try a neighboring county.  Sometimes, though one was married in one county (civil) the church record would be in the neighboring county.  This happens to me a lot as my family is from Tipperary, albeit close to Waterford.  Good luck!

-Robin

[darz]

Thank you, thank you, thank you to everyone that has helped me out. All the tips have been fanstastic and I now have another direction to follow and an extra line in my tree. I have holidays next week and I can't wait to start searching.

I have found a few things on rootsireland but wasn't sure if it was worth buying credits for the details. I have over 100 search credits?? with this site but I haven't purchased other credits yet to view the data. I think I may do so for future searching.

[Bikerchick64]

I have found a few things on rootsireland but wasn't sure if it was worth buying credits for the details. I have over 100 search credits?? with this site but I haven't purchased other credits yet to view the data. I think I may do so for future searching.

Yes, I would.  The Irish name their children after the grandfathers (p&M) then the grandmothers (P&M) and then after the fathers and mothers, then favorite uncle, aunt, etc.  In my family there are a lot of Johns and Marys!  So I had to click on what I thought was the best fit to make sure the parents names were on the certificate, as well as the birth location. 

Rootsireland.ie gives you credits to view 'pages' that list all the births for the years specified, but if you actually want to view each one, then you need credits.  So check the next time you log in to see if you have credits or - just had a brain fart - whatever the other is called (viewings?), and then decide. 

[Fionaheff]

Thomas Shanahan and Ellen Ryan were indeed married in Kilcommon on 25th November 1879. Ellen is recorded as coming from Reafadda. Sponsors are Edw O'Brien and Ellen Ryan.
Then it becomes more complicated. There are a number of candidates who could be Ellen at birth.
All of these Ellens are listed as being born in Reafadda. If anyone of them rings a bell I can look further.
17th September 1847 Ellen Ryan of John Ryan and Sarah Ryan sp Edmund ryan and Mary Ryan
22nd September 1851 Ellen Ryan of Jeremiah Ryan and Mary Brien sp Stephen Ryan and Bridget Cain
31st March 1852 Ellen Ryan of John Ryan and Mary Allis sp John Ryan and Jonora Dwyer
5th June 1853 Ellen Ryan of Patrick Ryan and Mary Burke sp Michael Bourke and Hannah Ryan
27 January 1854 Ellen ryan of Edward and Mary Ryan sp Alexander McDonald and Bridget Hynes

Margaret Brien of Knockbrittas and John Shanahan were married on 29th October 1850. their sponsors were William Lanigan and Anne Ryan. There is no other marriage in Kilcommon between a John Shanahan and Margaret Brien in Kilcommon but there appears to be a child born to a couple of the same name before the date of their marriage. The child is not recorded as illegitimate which is usually the case so it may be that there were two couples or there may be a recording error. i will give you all the information and you can make your own mind up.
They lived in Reafadda where John was probably from and had the following children:
07/08/1847 Winifred of John Shanahan and Margaret Brien of Foilmahonmore Sp Margaret Brien
03/09/1851 John of John Shanahan and Margaret Brien of Reafadda Sp James Ryan and Mary Brien
02/02/1854 Thomas of John Shanahan and Margaret Brien of Reafadda James Ryan and Mary Brien
09/10/1856 Jeremiah of John Shanahan and Margaret Brien of The Mines sp Jeremiah Ryan and Summers
If my memory serves me right there were mines (I think they were copper mines) at Reafadda so it may be that Refadda became known as The Mines locally.

There were 2 John Shanahan's recorded in the Kilcommon register and both were born in Knockbrittas. There are 4 children born to 2 families the births are here:
24/05/1813 Patrick Shanahan Knockbrittas of Thomas Shanahan and Cath Quigley sp David Conway and Mary Lynch.
10/01/1814 John Shanahan Knockbrittas of Michael Shanahan and Winifred Conways sp Daniel toole and Nancy? (illegible)
08/01/1815 John Shanahan Knockbrittas of Thomas Shanahan and Hanora Quigley sp Michael Shanahan and Catherine Howard
24/10/1815 Thomas Shanahan Knockbrittas of Michael Shanahan and winifred Conway spThomas Shanahan and Mary Kearney.
I suspect Michael and Thomas were closely related. From the Tithe applotments you may discover if they lived on the same land which would indicate them being brothers, the Griffiths Valuations may show more information.
I think your John was the one of these but not the one with the mother Winifred. He was the one who married the other Ellen Ryan who possibly came from some other parish as there is no marriage record.
I think your Ellen was the second one whose parents were Jeremiah Ryan and Mary Brien. I only say this because one of the children is Jeremiah and her mother in law was also a Brien. I have the record of a Mary Brien and a Darby Ryan who married on 11/02/1834 Sp Frank Ryan and Michael Ryan. Darby is a shortened version of Jeremiah. I don't have any other marriages that are viable though. Darby ad Mary have children and in all of the births he is referred to as Darby. For this reason I don't think this is the right marriage. I think Mary may have come from another parish, I need to keep looking at this to make sure I haven't missed anything. I will be in touch again if you get in touch with me over any questions. Good Luck Fiona