james bulloch and christina erskine,

[AMBLY]

Hi David

You're welcome, glad to be able to help a little,

Carole gave you the IGI link to the parents marriage (above).

From the IGI, issue to James BULLOCH & Christina (Christian) ERSKINE:
Jean 1807 - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FMS1-2LG (extracted)
Isobel 1809  - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FM3S-Q31 (extracted)
Janet 1811 - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VQHP-YQS (extracted)
William 1816 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/MD6V-GYC (submitted)
James 1819 - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X173-MKM (extracted & submitted)

If this IGI couple is a match to 1841 Census family of the shoemaker then probably this list of issue is not complete - there is a wide gap 1811- 1816 / 1819, and nothing after 1819  - ie: for any of the (presumed) children of James the Shoemaker listed on that 1841.

But, I think this George in 1851 could be yours?

http://www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
3 Gibson Street, Glasgow St James, Lanarkshire
Head: Jean CULLEN 40, widow, winder of Cotton Yarn,
Dau: Jean CULLEN 16, Bleacher
Dau: Christina CULLEN 14, Message girl in Shoe Shop 
Dau: Janet CULLEN 11, Scholar,
Dau: Elizabeth CULLEN 9, Scholar,
Brother: George BULLOCK 20, unm, General labourer,
Lodger: William WISHART, 18, General Labourer
ALL Born Glasgow

And, Jean CULLEN Senior - if she died after 1855, hopefully her parents are James BULLOCH and Christina ERSKINE. I think she did live past 1855:

In 1861 at 20 Green Street, Glasgow
Head: William BULLOCH 43, Slater,
Son: James BULLOCH 16,  App Slater,
Son: William BULLOCH 4,
Sister: Jean CULLEN 50, b Glasgow

William BULLOCH married a Frances McINTYRE it seems - she down as such on the 1841 Census (FreeCen).

Cheers
AMBLY

[davidpaul]

thanks so much ambly david.

[davidpaul]

hello to yous all sorry but don,t know if am posting this in the right place but here we go after all the great help i received on this thread am having a few problems with James bullochs father ,all i have is a john bulloch born Scotland 1770 have found him to be married to a Elizabeth hadden 1774 st Boswells roxburgh this is all I've manged to find so far need help putting him with mother ,father and siblings to help me go futher back and a little help with Elizabeth would be great as well any kind help would be greatfully received David.

[Forfarian]

having a few problems with James bullochs father ,all i have is a john bulloch born Scotland 1770 have found him to be married to a Elizabeth hadden 1774 st Boswells roxburgh

Where did you get this information from? What evidence do you have that John Bulloch and Elizabeth Hadden are the parents of James Bulloch who married Christian Erskine?

[davidpaul]

really abit unsure but did see a tree on ancestry a while back that had all the same family but quiet unsure tho this tree seemed to have all the right people as not being on ancestry have been looking at print out for Sp but totally lost with this also didn't have to much success with James and Christina total brick wall no dates for them 2 many thanks tho for your reply David.

[Forfarian]

really abit unsure but did see a tree on ancestry a while back that had all the same family but quiet unsure tho this tree seemed to have all the right people as not being on ancestry have been looking at print out for Sp but totally lost with this also didn't have to much success with James and Christina total brick wall no dates for them 2 many thanks tho for your reply David.

Never take anything you find in an online tree as definite. Especially Ancestry. It's fine to use them as pointers, but in absence of any definite evidence you cannot rely on them.

Sometimes people look for a birth and find only one in the time period, so they conclude that the one has to be the right one. Then they put that online, and other people copy it, so it becomes widely 'known' and generally accepted, when in fact it is wrong.

James Bulloch, son of John Bulloch and Elizabeth Hadden, was born in 1811, five years after your James got married, so he is obviously not the one.

You have your James Bulloch in the 1841 census, age given as 50, born in Lanarkshire. In 1841, adults' ages were rounded down to the nearest 5 years, so he could have been anything from 50 to 54, which means that he could have been born any time from 1786 until 1791.

There are two James Bullochs in the IGI who fit this bill
Son of William Bulloch and Jean Carwall, baptised 7 March 1790 ('contributed')
Son of James Bulloch and Helen Steven, baptised 14 March 1791 (extracted')

However, both of these are really rather too young to marry in March 1806. No 1 would have been just 16, and No 2 only 15.

So I am willing to bet that your James is one of the many whose baptism is missing from the records, and that there is little chance of finding who his parents were.

There is a slim chance that, for example, the baptisms of his children may give the names of witnesses to the baptism, or that perhaps one of James' siblings might have registered a post-1855 death, or that some other clue like a burial record or a gravestone might exist.

[davidpaul]

all the replies i got on Christina and Jame where very helpful originally did have their offsprings wrong but carole w and amble set me back on the right track its all down on this thread but thanks for looking at this question on James parents much appreciated was hoping to get a small lead to them thanks David.

[ianm49]

Hi Ambly,
I have an ancestor Jessie Cullen who in died 1872 aged 29 with parents named James Cullen and Jane Bulloch at 3 Gibson St, Calton in Glasgow (Jessie's death certificate). James was deceased by 1865 (Jessie's marriage certificate) but Jane was alive in 1872 (Jessie's death certificate). The 1861 Census listed sisters as Christina and Elizabeth also at 3 Gibson St.

Can the names of Jean and Jessie be used as alternatives for each other? Is this a likely match of the same family?

[davidpaul]

Ianm 46 think this is ur family of ancestors , so would like to say hello and this is great to find another distant relative