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Birth of Sarah Hart??
« on: Wednesday 22 May 13 14:38 BST (UK) »
I need help finding this lady.

This is all I know:

According to the 1851 census she was born in 1819 in Clerkenwell, Middlesex
She married Edgar Howe on 9th August 1846 at St Pancras. Edgar died on 2nd March 1851
She had 2 sons with Edgar:
Edgar Alfred Howe (1847-1849)
George Harding Howe (1850-1930)
According to the marriage her father was a Tallow Chandler and it lists his name as what looks like Youngman Hart.

I cannot find her on later census' or locate a correct birth.

Any help would be appreciated.
Many Thanks
Daisy

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Re: Birth of Sarah Hart??
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 22 May 13 15:03 BST (UK) »
Hi Daisy

I see that having been born in St Pancras, George was taken as a toddler (after Edgar's death) all the way to Greenwich for baptism - and that baptised at the same time was a baby William Thomas HART.

Could there be a family connection between them?

Baptisms, St Alphege Greenwich

28 March 1852

George Harding HOWE, born 7 Aug 1850, son of Edgar (general dealer) & Sarah, of Pleasant Row, Camden Town.

William Thomas HART, born 22 Feb 1852, son of William Samuel (fisherman) and Julia Ann, of Lamb Lane.


(I see also that George himself was later a fisherman in the Greenwich area).
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Birth of Sarah Hart??
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 22 May 13 15:10 BST (UK) »
Edgar Alfred was also baptised at Greenwich!

January 2nd 1848  at St Alphege
Born October 14th 1847
Garrad (Suffolk, Essex, Somerset), Crocker (Somerset), Vanstone (Devon, Jersey), Sims (Wiltshire), Bridger (Kent)

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Re: Birth of Sarah Hart??
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 22 May 13 15:28 BST (UK) »
Quote from: KGarrad on Wednesday 22 May 13 15:10 BST (UK)
Edgar Alfred was also baptised at Greenwich!

January 2nd 1848  at St Alphege
Born October 14th 1847

Indeed - and the baptism register shows they were living in St Pancras at that time too.

Why Greenwich? Both children's births (and the deaths of Edgar senior and junior) were registered in St Pancras.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Birth of Sarah Hart??
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 22 May 13 15:35 BST (UK) »
William Samuel's father was a Thomas Hart Fisherman. William's marriage was 1847 Greenwich wife given as Julian Judge.

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Re: Birth of Sarah Hart??
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 22 May 13 15:45 BST (UK) »
The church was an Anglican church - nothing particularly special about it?
That is, not specific to a special group of people?

Maybe there was a family link?
Garrad (Suffolk, Essex, Somerset), Crocker (Somerset), Vanstone (Devon, Jersey), Sims (Wiltshire), Bridger (Kent)

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Re: Birth of Sarah Hart??
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 22 May 13 15:52 BST (UK) »
It's the Anglican parish church for Greenwich. Attractive architecture in a village setting out of the fug of central London (but if that's all they were after they could much more easily have gone from St Pancras up the hill to Hampstead or Highgate).

Probably clutching at straws but if there was a family connection on the Hart side it might help Daisy in her quest.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Birth of Sarah Hart??
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 22 May 13 16:00 BST (UK) »
I see that both Edgars were buried at St Martin-in-the-Fields burial ground in Camden Town - the baby on 18 Feb 1849 aged 14 months, and his father on 9 March 1851 aged 36.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Birth of Sarah Hart??
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 22 May 13 16:19 BST (UK) »
At the time of the 1851 census Edgar Howe's father, Harding Howe,  was living in Greenwich, so it could be a Howe connection rather than a Hart one.

Daisy
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