Birth/Baptism lookup for Tring please 1821

[smudwhisk]

Additional thread re marriage - http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,647811.msg4944103.html#msg4944103

[trish1120]

No worries


Elizabeth HALL Christened 16 Nov 1826, Burslem, Staffordshire
Parents JOSEPH/ANN
(Source Familysearch.Org)
Siblings;
ELIZA, 05 Aug 1822, Died 02 Nov 1823
JOHN, 26 Aug 1823
CAROLINE, 09 Nov 1826

Possible Marriage;
04 September 1820, St John the Baptist, Burslem, Staffordshire
Joseph HALL, Bachelor, Labourer
Ann COLLIER, Widow
Both of Burslem Parish at time of Marriage
Witnesses, William Bourne/Mary Bowen

There is another possible to Ann PRITCHETT, 29 Oct 1821, Norton in the Moors.

Both on FreeREG

Trish

[MysticBreeze]

If you don't already have a copy, Thomas' marriage certificate to Elizabeth Hall would confirm his father's name and occupation and would probably be more reliable than a death certificate where the information would be from a third party, even if that was a child.  As Lizzie has said, they're not always accurate.

Yes I know Death Certs aren't always accurate, but sometimes they are!  And all information stated is correct.  Tring comes not only from the Death Cert its stated on the 1851 census also. 

[MysticBreeze]

No worries


Elizabeth HALL Christened 16 Nov 1826, Burslem, Staffordshire
Parents JOSEPH/ANN
(Source Familysearch.Org)
Siblings;
ELIZA, 05 Aug 1822, Died 02 Nov 1823
JOHN, 26 Aug 1823
CAROLINE, 09 Nov 1826

Possible Marriage;
04 September 1820, St John the Baptist, Burslem, Staffordshire
Joseph HALL, Bachelor, Labourer
Ann COLLIER, Widow
Both of Burslem Parish at time of Marriage
Witnesses, William Bourne/Mary Bowen

There is another possible to Ann PRITCHETT, 29 Oct 1821, Norton in the Moors.

Both on FreeREG

Trish

Thank you Trish, I already have Elizabeth's information on her siblings.  Also her mother's maiden name was Buckley 

[smudwhisk]

If you don't already have a copy, Thomas' marriage certificate to Elizabeth Hall would confirm his father's name and occupation and would probably be more reliable than a death certificate where the information would be from a third party, even if that was a child.  As Lizzie has said, they're not always accurate.

Yes I know Death Certs aren't always accurate, but sometimes they are!  And all information stated is correct.  Tring comes not only from the Death Cert its stated on the 1851 census also.

That's as maybe, but his baptism does NOT appear in the Tring PRs so it is quite possible that the family moved into Tring at some point before migrating into London.  There are Allens in there, but not a Thomas at the right time nor parents James and Elizabeth baptising children.  There are other James Allen marriages but not to an Elizabeth.  Just because Thomas listed Tring on the 1851 Census, doesn't mean he was born/baptised there just that's the place he believed he was born.  The younger brother of one of my ancestors, both born in Ivinghoe, lists his birthplace on several census as Berkhamstead.

FindMyPast don't have all the parish registers for Hertfordshire online at the moment so they could have been in a surrounding parish but they could also have quite easily have been over the border in Buckinghamshire.  It might be worth you getting a search done from Bucks FHS to eliminate that option if you are certain that you have the correct parents - http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=17&Itemid=199.

You say all the information is correct on the death certificate, do you have Thomas on the 1841 Census with his parents and/or his marriage certificate to confirm father's name and occupation?

[MysticBreeze]

I now have Thomas Allen and Elizabeth Hall's marriage cert.  It states his father was James Allen.  They married in Craven? Chapel, St James, Middlesex.

[globetrotter66]

I'm tracing Thomas Allen and Elizabeth Hall from the Hall side, and would be interested in learning more about what you learned from the marriage certificate.  Elizabeth Hall was (I'm fairly certain) one of three children (including John Hall and Marianne Hall) of Joseph Hall of Burslem and Anne Buckley of Hanley.  Marianne was in London for the 1851 census (she is the visiting sister).  Will be happy to share info.