David Mack (c1797-1864) of Lisburn

[hmstew]

Hi Gail,
Alice was born on 25/12/1865 and her mother died on 6/01/1866 when she was just 12 days old, so almost certainly related to childbirth - maybe the reason neither of the daughters had a family. As you say, both lived well, Emma being almost 100 when she died.
Is your husband in Cyril Mack's line?
Helen

[Belfast Gail]

Hi Helen
Cyril is my husband's grandfather.  Cyril had 2 sons, Desmond & Terence.  Terence is my husband's dad.
We think Terence may have death certs for the 2 sisters - would you be interested in seeing them?
Gail

[hmstew]

Hi Gail,
That would be interesting if it's not too much trouble.
Helen

[Belfast Gail]

I will ask Terence to look them out for me.
Gail

[Greg0220]

Here is a link to the work of John Daly, Dublin and likely India.

http://www.leopardantiques.com/object/stock/detail/602

He is the brother of Richard Daly the actor and theatre manager.

Another brother, William, married an Ann Penelope Gilbert, and some of his children were silversmiths in London in the late 1700s.

The Gilberts were silversmiths in London since the 1600s.

[Belfast Gail]

Thank you so much, Greg - that's really interesting.  I have just looked up Richard Daly, and he seems to have been quite a character.
I'm curious, though - how have you made the Gilbert-Mack connection?
My husband's gggrandfather, Hugh Mack, married Emma Gilbert in 1863, and they had 2 daughters: Alice Gilbert Mack & Emma Laura Mack.  The two girls never married. Emma Senior's father was William Gilbert, married to Martha someone.
Would it be a lot of trouble for you to help me join up these Gilberts with the Dalys? Or could you point me in the right direction?
Thank you so much for getting in touch.
Gail

[hmstew]

Hi Greg,
Further to Gail's comments, William Gilbert (1805-1890) whose wife was called Martha, was a silversmith, watchmaker and jeweller at High St and Donegall Sq, Belfast. I know about all his descendants, including one of his daughters Sarah Gilbert, who was my great great grandmother (and sister of Emma Gilbert mentioned by Gail).
I know that William's mother was called Sarah, born 1781. I'm pretty certain William had brothers James, born 1808 and Edward, born c1814. I don't know anything about these 2, except that both died in their 30s.
As far as I know, all these Gilberts remained in Belfast and I'm not aware of Ann Penelope Gilbert or a connection to London, so like Gail, I'm interested to know what connection you have made.
Helen

[Greg0220]

I just found out that John Daly was a silversmith this week, so it pulls a lot of things together. I haven't connected the Mack's and the Daly's, but the name is familiar, I just can't remember why. Here is a good site showing there were Gilbert silversmiths in Dublin. I believe the Gray's were connected too.

https://www.silvermakersmarks.co.uk/Makers/Dublin-FI.html#G

Here is another good site. Search by silversmith and Gilbert and you will see three. My comment that the Gilbert's were silversmith's in London since the 1600s stems from a newspaper article that references a Charles Gilbert being charged for shortchanging a customer. Silversmith is a specialized field, so we are lucky from a research perspective. But, naturally, they also tended to be pawnbrokers, so its not unusual that there were disputes.

https://www.londonlives.org/index.jsp

[Belfast Gail]

Much appreciated, Greg.  Thank you.  I shall pick my father-in-law's brains next time I see him.  He is elderly now himself but he does remember the two 'maiden aunts' very well. If there's anything of note he can share, I will, of course, be in touch.
Thank you again.