Seeking Family of Mary Ann Fisher, born Oct. 1895, Basford

[cocksie]

Your question "did marriages normally take place in the bride's parish"
Mmm. I only have my limited family research experience to draw on. My Cornish ancestors seemed to generally get married at the bride's parish. My yorkshire ancestors vary - partly as a result of their Quakerism (is that a real word?) or their marrying outside Quakerism.  Seems to me that generally the further back one goes in time, and assuming bride and groom are from different parishes (albeit within walking distance due to my less than wealthy Uk ancestors (ie dirt poor, poverty struck) then I have found a pattern where the marriage takes place at bride's parish .....

Long winded, cautious response based on limited knowledge and own experience
 
Cocksie

[CarolRR]

Thanks Cocksie - that was my sense as well, that historically weddings were held at the Bride's parish.  Until fairly recently, this was the tradition here in Canada as well.

[Ruskie]

Yes, the bride's parish is usually the first port of call when looking for a marriage, but it's not set in stone. 

[iluleah]

The general rule of thumb is yes they married in the brides parish............... however the brides parish could be where she was working at the time and /or where her family had moved to, not necessarily where she was born. You will often see OTP ( of this parish) on the registers but that only means they lived in that parish for the weeks while the banns were read ( and they didn't always live in the parish, just said they did/had an address they could give)

[susan hemmings]

Just popping in to say I am keeping up with the thread and well done to you all.  Wish I could do more.

Susan

[cocksie]

Switching back to moving forward with Alice and John.  To me it feels like a needle in a haystack.  We don't really know if they were registered at birth as Hall or Fisher (or, actually, any other surname .... We know Harriet was married to a Hall but called herself Fisher in the censuses ... Who knows if she got married in between censuses but continued to call herself Fisher .... If you get my drift).

However, lets assume for the moment that John was a Fisher. How to trace him?
1. Multiple guesses and $ buying GRO certs for the possibilities.
2.  Assuming Harriet did not die and John did not become an orphan and possibly shipped to another country
3. Assuming he did not die for a couple of decades
4. Assuming he stayed in UK as an adult
5. He was too young for WW1
6. Would English WW2 military records be worth looking into? He would have been about 34-40 in the era.  In Oz the records are online with NExt of Kin info, birth date and place, sometimes parents (pending age).  Some of the full records are closed and one has to pay to "open" but the summary info online is often enough to establish who they are and their relationships.  I know Kew Archives holds earlier military info (early 1800s) as i have delved into that era. But I have no idea what is available online in the UK for WW2 military - does anyone else know?

If this resource was available online it would be, at least, something to trawl through and check.  I am quite good at trawling through lists and indexes and texts - find it strangely therapeutic.

Or have I just suggested looking for a smaller needle in a larger haystack?
Cocksie

[cocksie]

One other thought:
Am pretending I am Harriet living at a workhouse - if I was to baptise my children where would I go? (As opposed to registering their births).  The 1911 census indicates both children were born at Basford.  Assuming I am living at Basford workhouse when I gave birth ..... The Basford workhouse had a chapel .... Possibly not a costly exercise to baptise my children at the workhouse chapel?

I am currently assuming the Basford workhouse chapel would be CoE ....
I'll look into this further after work this evening.
Cocksie

[CarolRR]

John Fisher ...  I am reminded of an earlier post showing a Basford marriage between a John Fisher and a "Barber", Oct qtr 1927 Vol 7b p 514.  Children of this marriage: Jean, June 1933 Basford and Dennis, Dec. 1928 Basford.  Do these people surface anywhere that we could take a closer look for a possible connection?

[CarolRR]

Thanks Cocksie, keep in mind that it may not have occurred to Harriet to baptize these children ...  Would it make any sense to look for descendants of the "Scattergood" family (Harriet's sister, Mary Ann's, daughter - Harriet, born 1893) of Ilkeston who might be able to fill in some of the blanks?  That name might be a bit easier to deal with ...