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Re: Seeking Family of Mary Ann Fisher, born Oct. 1895, Basford
« Reply #234 on: Sunday 09 June 13 03:14 BST (UK) »
I think my point (and conundrum) was/is

1. There aren't actually very many Alice Hall/Fisher birth regs in the timeframe April 1897-March 1899
2. I'm not that experienced with research and the 1901 and 1911 census info on this girl gives us quite different info. So, experienced rootschatterers which one is more likely to be closer to the truth?
3. 1901 info would indicate that Alice was not the "youngster" in nov/dec 1897.  1911 info indicates she might be
4. While the "youngster" referred to could be anyone (as you suggest), I wonder if there is any other Hall child born of Harriet & James between July 1896 (9 months after birth of Mary Ann) and nov/dec 1897 AND dies before 1901 OR perhaps is living with the Scattergood family (with aunt Mary Ann) in 1901?

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Ps I think I have found Mary Ann Fisher (sister of Harriet) in 1881 census. I can't remember if another rchatterer has already posted this (and/or it was discarded) but I cannot currently find another suitable suspect in 1881

Name:   Mary Fisher, age 20 (b. abt 1861). Born Ilkeston, Derbyshire. Servant to the Abel family.
Living - 18 Pelican St, Civil Parish Radford, Nottinghamshire
Registration District:   Nottingham
Sub-registration District:   Radford
Folio:   35
Page Number:   63
Hallidays of Northowram, Roberts of Hovingham, Stampers of Kirkdale, Cocks of Mary Tavy Devon, Cocks of Redruth Cornwall, Manser of Sussex, Axel of East Sussex, Palmer of East Sussex, Hermitage of Sussex, Smale of Kent, Haddon of Devon, Cuthill of Kinross-shire, Lynn of Ireland, Seymour of Cork

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Re: Seeking Family of Mary Ann Fisher, born Oct. 1895, Basford
« Reply #235 on: Sunday 09 June 13 03:21 BST (UK) »
Question: have you found mother Harriet Fisher's (nee Orme) death between 1881 (last census sighting) and 1891 (George a widower)
Hallidays of Northowram, Roberts of Hovingham, Stampers of Kirkdale, Cocks of Mary Tavy Devon, Cocks of Redruth Cornwall, Manser of Sussex, Axel of East Sussex, Palmer of East Sussex, Hermitage of Sussex, Smale of Kent, Haddon of Devon, Cuthill of Kinross-shire, Lynn of Ireland, Seymour of Cork

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Re: Seeking Family of Mary Ann Fisher, born Oct. 1895, Basford
« Reply #236 on: Sunday 09 June 13 03:25 BST (UK) »
Thanks once more Cocksie - I didn't have that information on Mary Ann, sister of Harriet.  I do have the 1891 census information which shows her living at 36 Lower Granby St., Ilkeston with John Scattergood, b. 1864 a coalminer (hewer) and Harriet Scattergood, b. 1893, Ilkeston.

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Re: Seeking Family of Mary Ann Fisher, born Oct. 1895, Basford
« Reply #237 on: Sunday 09 June 13 03:31 BST (UK) »
Answer: ;) 
I have a note that shows: 
Death - Dec. 1890 Fisher, Harriet, 58, Basford 7b 90


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Re: Seeking Family of Mary Ann Fisher, born Oct. 1895, Basford
« Reply #238 on: Sunday 09 June 13 03:54 BST (UK) »
Bingo - that's the one I was eyeing off (only 1 I can find that looks possible)

Can't currently find George in 1901 census but can't find suitable death until 1908

Name: FISHER, GeorgeRegistration district: Basford, County: Nottinghamshire
Year of registration: 1908 Qtr Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at death:72
Volume no: 7B Page no: 112
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Re: Seeking Family of Mary Ann Fisher, born Oct. 1895, Basford
« Reply #239 on: Tuesday 11 June 13 13:08 BST (UK) »
Reply (received this morning) from Derbyshire Family Hist. Society:

"Your research request and payment was received last week, thank you.  It would appear that you are looking for birth, marriage and death details for Harriett, Alice and John Fisher. We are assuming that you have found them on the census and also a possible marriage to James Hall.  The marriage we have found for Harriett Fisher to a James Hall is in 1896.  If this were correct then the children would have the surname of Hall.
We are not sure what information you have already but think that you have found them in 1911, all in the workhouse.  Harriett is single born Ilkeston and she has two illegitimate children, Alice and John.  In 1901 Harriet, single, is with Alice again in the workhouse. 1891 she is with her widowed father, George and in 1881 she is with parents, George and Harriett.
There is no baptism record for Harriet in Ilkeston.  There are two marriages for a Harriett Fisher after 1911 but the only way to know if either are her is to buy certificates.  One is in 1916 Ilkeston St Mary to a Joseph Stenson and the other in 1924 Cotmanhay to a Thomas Gerrard.
I take it that either Alice or John are your direct ancestor.  Do you have any other information on them as there are a great number of marriages for these names? Without having an idea of date and place it will be nearly impossible to do.  Deaths will also be difficult to find as Fisher is a fairly common name and again could be anywhere in the country and both Harriett and Alice could have married.
Birth certificates will be available for each of them at a cost of £10 each.  Harriett Fisher registered Sept qtr 1873 Basford, Alice Fisher, there are two registered Sept qtr 1897 Basford and John Fisher, there are three possibilities, one in Dec qtr 1905 Nottingham and two in Basford Mar qtr 1906.  When ordering the ones for John and Alice, you need to state that you would like the mother to be Harriet with no father given and you should not end up with certificates you do not want.  We could order the certificates for you but the £27 would not cover the cost of three certificates and research.  The search fee of £3 per item, if on our database, would only give a reference leading directly to the certificate.  If you would like to send a further £13 we could do the ordering for you."


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Re: Seeking Family of Mary Ann Fisher, born Oct. 1895, Basford
« Reply #240 on: Tuesday 11 June 13 13:52 BST (UK) »
 :-\

So, Carol, where to go from here?  :-\

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Re: Seeking Family of Mary Ann Fisher, born Oct. 1895, Basford
« Reply #241 on: Tuesday 11 June 13 14:54 BST (UK) »
It looks like your reply didn't really tell you anything that hadn't been found her on RC.
Really, if you want to come forward in time, you should be looking for marriages of Alice & John.  It could be expensive.  :-\
I'm not young enough to know everything.


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Re: Seeking Family of Mary Ann Fisher, born Oct. 1895, Basford
« Reply #242 on: Tuesday 11 June 13 15:31 BST (UK) »
snowyw, you have echoed what I've been thinking ...  time to focus on descendants ...