Seeking Family of Mary Ann Fisher, born Oct. 1895, Basford

[andycand]

Carol there is a site if you are interested as I think it was mentioned a lot earlier that James Hall was employed at the stanton iron works www.stantonironworks.co.uk
I had a look on the census for William Hall, (father of James.) born Smalley Derbyshire 1838
1861 William Hall Miner 22, Margaret Hall 20, George Hall 1 month living with Margarets parents George Turner & Mary Turner in Ripley Derbyshire.
1871 William Hall, Margaret Hall , George 10, Alfred 5, John 3, Mary 3 (twins I presume) Frances M 1yr Living in Handsworth Yorkshire.
1881 William is a widower, John 13, Mary 13, Frances M 11, William 8, Harry 6, JAMES 4, Harriett 2, George 20 Annie 19, Alfred, Living in Killamarsh, Derbyshire. Keep well & I hope you will have news soon from your archive searches. Regards Frances

The 1901 census has this family still living in Killamarsh with JAMES 24, single, a miner, coal hewer still living at home. I suppose it is possible that after all the problems James went home and resumed his previous occupation (the 1891 census also has James at home in Killamarsh) but you would need to investigate further.

Carol, I think you need to go back to the newspaper articles and make a careful note of what exactly they say about James and Mary Ann. Certainly the Hall/Fisher marriage fits and the Mary Ann Fisher birth fits but you do need to be cautious that other information that starts as a possibility doesn't become a probability and then a fact without supporting evidence.

Andy

[CarolRR]

Andy, thanks.  I have been wondering about this Hall family since reading the original post.  Killamarsh appears to be a good distance from Ilkeston, which is where the men in the Hall family worked.  Also, the fact that there were twins in this family also struck me as a bit odd, as there is no history, whatsoever, of any twins being born in the family.  I'll file this information and continue on ...

[cocksie]

While we were/are waiting response from Nottingham Uni, Derbyshire archives, Ilkeston HS ....
Was doing a bit of a trawl around cyberspace and found these transcriptions of St Mary's Marriages at Ilkeston 1837-1883
http://www.oldilkeston.co.uk/st-marys-marriages-1852-1861/

What is interesting:
1.  You have info on the Fisher family through censuses 1841-1891. So you will be able to find the spouses of George Fisher's siblings.
2.  Very few Halls getting married at this church .... 1 or 2 only.  Makes one think that the Hall family may not been local, possibly James came into the area for work?

Cocksie

[ballydw]

What a great find Cocksie lots of Fisher/family related info.  Well done

[susan hemmings]

Time in cyberspace well spent there Cocksie.  Well done indeed.


Susan

[CarolRR]

Thank you Cocksie - all kinds of good stuff on that link!  In addition to all of the 'Fisher' information, there is also 'Orme' information and 'Calladine' - as well as 'Scattergood' (Harriet's sister's married name) - all "Fisher" related ...
I did only see 2 'Hall' entries on that list, so your theory makes sense - hmm, Hall's of Killamarsh?
Very interesting!  Thanks.

[Ruskie]

What a great find Cocksie lots of Fisher/family related info.  Well done

Ditto! 

[cocksie]

Long day at work - my current odd way of unwinding is to randomly search for Halls and Fishers in and around Ilkeston!

Was thinking about Alice Hall/ Fisher last night and have a query:
1901 census (taken 31 march) - she is listed age 2 (ie birth 1 April 1898 - 31 March 1899?)
1911 census (taken 2 April) listed as 13 -birth 3 April 1897-2 April 1898

Is any of my maths above correct? If so I have a conundrum.....
It has taken me a little while to work out how chatterers linked Alice hall to Harriet ....

Being the newspaper article in jan 1898 where it talks about the mother (of Mary Ann) having another child (in dec 1897 when she is looking for her husband in Loughborough).
So everyone was looking for a "hall" child (given James and Harriet married) registered in the area in last three quarters of 1897 and first quarter of 1898?  

...... I'm not sure we have short listed the Alice birth reg possibilities in a cohesive list - have we?
Am about to trawl back through all the postings on this thread and the others threads

Cocksie

[CarolRR]

Cocksie, thank you for the time you spend unwinding!  If the fair took place 13/14 November, 1897, where Harriet and another "youngster" went away, if that child was Alice, then she would have been just a baby - and would they have referred to her as a "youngster"?
This 'youngster' could have been anyone ...  Harriet's sister, Mary Ann, had a daughter "Harriet" (Scattergood) b. 1893 in Ilkeston - perhaps Harriet was staying with her sister and the child referred to as the 'youngster' in the Court (and newspaper) reports is actually Harriet's niece - anything is possible I guess ...
Hopefully these look-ups that I have ordered will surface sometime soon, Cocksie. Thank you again for your help.